We get it, Lewk. You think any black man who has ever committed a crime deserves execution.
We get it, Lewk. You think any black man who has ever committed a crime deserves execution.
Hope is the denial of reality
It kinda is with you. But the sex qualifier isn't, you think the same thing about black women. Ditto for the implicit age qualifier, you've made it quite clear that if they're old enough to be physically capable of a criminal act (like grabbing something small in a market such as toothpaste, a candy bar, or a toy) than they're old enough to be treated like an adult, and consequently old enough to be hunted down and executed in acts of "citizens' justice" aka mob action.
Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"
Years and years and years of this pounding and you idiots still haven't learned that if you ignore him he will go away.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
They killed the guy. What they set out to do doesn't matter.
No my view would not change. You kill someone you're responsible for that. Only defence is self defence and trying to detain someone is not self defence. The person being detained by vigilantes does have the right to self defence though.
This is a stupid argument. If you choose to drive drunk with the intention of getting home safely without harming anyone, are you then not culpable if you instead end up killing someone even though you set out to do something else entirely? You are expected to know that driving drunk predictably increases the likelihood of you harming—even killing—someone else; if you still choose to drive drunk, you bear all the responsibility for any injury you may cause as a consequence of your reckless behavior. Arming yourself and trying to "detain" someone predictably increases the likelihood of you killing another person; what you "set out" to do matters not one whit, because you chose a course of action that entails an entirely foreseeable risk of you killing someone. In this case, what you believe they intended is esp. irrelevant as a defense, because they had no right to try to detain him in the first place—hence the felony murder charges.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releas...-investigation
On May 21, 2020, the GBI arrested William “Roddie” Bryan Jr., age 50, on charges of Felony Murder & Criminal Attempt to Commit False Imprisonment. These charges stem from the February 23, 2020 incident that resulted in the death of Ahmaud Arbery. He will be booked into the Glynn County Jail.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Not the same thing at all. A crime was committed and witnessed when I was punched, and the criminal pulled the knife.
No crime was committed or witnessed here except by the murderers and it was the murderers who pulled out the gun.
So: death penalty if they're found guilty - yes or no?
Before I answer, let's make sure I understand your perspective RB. You are saying that if a crime is personally witnessed than it would be all right for your friends to chase the criminal down. So, if we were apply this to the Aubrey case, if the two had personally see him trespassing they would have been in the clear but because they relied on 2nd hand information they are in the wrong?
You moved goal posts from crime to felony. Hell did the guy who punched you get charged with a "felony?"
Relying on 2nd hand information is never acceptable. Damn I guess 911 calls don't actually allow police to do anything since that is 2nd hand information. Hmm what if the police advised a citizen to contact another citizen to intervene? (Like what specifically happened in the Aubrey case).
To answer your question - no. I actually don't think they should be executed. I enjoy felony murder charges when it applies to thieves and those who are doing things like breaking into homes, raping people etc. I'm a huge fan of communities defending each other. As the old saying goes, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. In this situation these guys had ample evidence to believe the person they were trying to detain was a thief (previous break ins, contact by the owner, person fleeing the scene). They confronted him and I fully believe if Aubrey hadn't acted violently he would have still been alive today. The fact pattern doesn't make any sense for them to go out and shoot him. Hell more evidenced has come out that the chase actually last for minutes. Yet no other shots fired until he went for the gun.
I am also curious RB. If we had the same exact fact pattern and the person shot was white and the people chasing were black would you assume the black folks were racist like you assumed these two were racist? I'd be curious to see your answer and why.
In the UK we have crime and not a crime. Assaulting someone is a crime (what you call felony), he was sent to jail for Grievous Bodily Harm while trespassing is not (in Georgia it's a misdemeanor).
Trespassing is a misdemeanor, it's the same as jaywalking. Would you be ok with lynching someone for jaywalking?Don't talk shit.
The fact you're justifying this because their ILLEGAL chase of him went on for minutes is just mind boggling. If you were being chased by aggressive strangers for minutes on end, the only thing with your normal logic is it's a shame Aubery who is the victim didn't have a gun to shoot his attackers who chased him. If Aubery had shot dead the criminals chasing him then he should have been lauded as a hero by you shouldn't be?
You do realise Aubery is the victim don't you?
The Police investigate reports. These guys were not Police they had no authority to detain anyone and doing so was a crime. Doing so made killing anyone felony murder.
"I am also curious RB. If we had the same exact fact pattern and the person shot was white and the people chasing were black would you assume the black folks were racist like you assumed these two were racist? I'd be curious to see your answer and why."
You missed this part - care to provide an answer? Because I'm disturbed by the notion you might be a bigot. I expect that of racists like Loki but I had hoped for more from you.
In Lewkland, there is a crime committed by a white person and a crime committed by a black person. Any punishment for the former is likely too harsh. That includes any punishment for secretly working for a hostile power. Especially if the white person happens to be a middle-class, middle-aged male. For a black person, anything and everything is fair game.
Hope is the denial of reality
The evidence they're racist is they chased and murdered a black man for no reason. They hadn't witnessed a crime, as none had even happened, but they chased this black man for minutes and murdered him in the end because they didn't like the look of him running.
Jaywalking is a misdemeanor just like trespassing. So why of course not for one, but it's ok to chase and lynch black men because someone else reported they had done the other?
Worse this is like chasing and lynching someone because a friend informed you they had jaywalked. There is a word for this: Murder.