Happy now BLM?

[Lewkowski]

No, the problem is that 3 & 4 have historically occurred way too often to black people and, until recently, incidents have traditionally been covered up, ignored or otherwise unaddressed by local governments. It's only since the videos, protests and riots that local governments have even acknowledged that these things have been happening and the wider US community has even believed there was a problem. This problem has to be demonstrably fixed first in order to foster a level of trust between black communities and local police, then crime issues can be more effectively addressed.

So the problem needs to be 'demonstrably fixed' (good luck with that criteria which means something different to everyone) before we can police communities? What exactly are you suggesting the police do right now when it comes to the crime waves that are occurring? Continue the hands off approach for fear of being blasted by the media blamed for clean shots etc? Or do you want them to get back into the job of saving lives? Are you saying that they should wait to re-engage those crime hot spots until the problem has been 'demonstrably fixed'?

[EyeKhan]

So the problem needs to be 'demonstrably fixed' (good luck with that criteria which means something different to everyone) before we can police communities?

No, that's not what I said. Police should be doing law enforcement right now, regardless of community mis-trust. They might be pissed off, afraid, demoralized, freaked out, whatever, but they have to do their job anyway. It sucks right now, but it's their duty - and this is the bed they made for themselves by letting their bad apple fuck-ups go unaddressed.

At the same time they should stop killing innocent people and covering it up, and when they do kill people they should investigate objectively and be open and honest about the facts of what happened. Eventually they'll build some level of trust and then the community will work with them more readily to fight local crime. Their job will get easier.