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    Default EU wants misspent funds returned

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...misspent-funds

    All over Sweden and the UK these innocent victims, brave soldiers in the fight for justice, are joining hands and bravely singing "we shall overcome". I say smack them with punitive fines in addition to the money they finagled out of the EU and then send the thieving fuckers back where they came from "toot sweet".
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    What a waste of taxpayers money that the European Parliament rules allowed to happen, the end of our contributions to this waste will be a good thing once we've left. As will the death of the parasites known as UKIP.

    Party funding should be privately raised and not raised by taxes which is what helps cause this mess.
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    About as smart as blaming the government for tax fraud because if the govt. didn't levy taxes there would be no taxes.
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

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    Since we can fund parties via private donations but can't fund the exchequer by them, that's a terrible comparison. If we could fund the running of the government by private donations then absolutely I'd blame the government for tax fraud if it was still raising taxes rather than abolishing them.
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    Since we can fund parties via private donations but can't fund the exchequer by them, that's a terrible comparison. If we could fund the running of the government by private donations then absolutely I'd blame the government for tax fraud if it was still raising taxes rather than abolishing them.
    Way to do away with personal responsibility *applauds* how very liberal of you
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    No getting the state to fund via taxation private organisations that both could and should raise their finances independently is what is illiberal and gets rid of them taking personal responsibility. Because they're no longer responsible by the government's actions.

    Abolish state funding of parties and allow parties to fund themselves rather than cry that and alleged irregularities are being attacked for their political beliefs.

    I fail to see why UKIP can't and shouldn't raise its own funds to conduct themselves this way and why they need to be funded via the European Parliament, or the British Parliament, or my taxes.
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    If there are rules and standards that almost everyone is willing and able to follow then it's fair to hold the few who violate them responsible for those violations. Regardless of your opinions about the wisdom of this policy, the funding itself is not objectively and unquestionably wrong. Violating the terms for receiving that funding, however, is almost certainly and completely wrong. If you willingly make an agreement that's not obviously illegal you're responsible for keeping to that agreement. You don't get to violate it and then try to shift the blame to the person you made the agreement with.
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    State funding is wrong. Taxpayers should not be on the hook for political parties.

    The problem here is that UKIP have been granted funds they think they can use for political purposes that then have been used for political purposes that are deemed unacceptable - the EU says because they are objectively wrong, UKIP because they are being picked on for their anti-EU views. Who knows? Who cares? Abolish the lot and be done with it.

    As for your 'making an agreement' remarks, I suspect you may find if they had a say UKIP would voted against the EU funding political parties.
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    Good old Randblade, as always fiercely defending UKIP. At least one thing that never changes in his posts.
    Congratulations America

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    Not defending UKIP. Chastising the state funding of parties which is something I've opposed forever. So yes Hazir some things never change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The problem here is that UKIP have been granted funds they think they can use for political purposes that then have been used for political purposes that are deemed unacceptable - the EU says because they are objectively wrong, UKIP because they are being picked on for their anti-EU views. Who knows?
    The Guardian knows; people who read the article linked to in the post know.

    As for your 'making an agreement' remarks, I suspect you may find if they had a say UKIP would voted against the EU funding political parties.
    All they had to do was not use the money, or at least not use it in ways that violate the terms of that funding.
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    Guardian doesn't know. The article says they have been accused of spending it wrong, they claim their use was OK. Unless they've been found guilty then are you claiming accusations mean guilty unless proven innocent? And with your genius suggest of state funding of partisan politics who is meant to determine if they are guilty or innocent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Guardian doesn't know. The article says they have been accused of spending it wrong, they claim their use was OK. Unless they've been found guilty then are you claiming accusations mean guilty unless proven innocent? And with your genius suggest of state funding of partisan politics who is meant to determine if they are guilty or innocent?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...misspent-funds

    Parties are entitled to grants for conferences and European elections, but not national elections or referendums. Consultants are also meant to be independent from the parties they are working for.
    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/contra...nd-foundations

    What can and what cannot be paid from the grant?

    The grant can be used to meet the expenditure directly linked to the activities set out in the foundation's programme of activities, such as:

    meetings and conferences,
    publications, studies and advertisements,
    administrative, personnel and travel costs.

    It is called eligible expenditure.

    The grant cannot be used, among others, to meet expenditure such as:

    campaign costs for referenda and elections,
    direct or indirect funding of national parties, election candidates and national political foundations,
    debts and debts service charges.
    The watchdog got involved after independent auditors refused (for obvious reasons) to sign off on it.
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    Oh, dear, auditors refused to sign off on expenditures. The irony of it
    Congratulations America

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    About as ironic as leaves falling in autumn.
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    You should be happy that someone holds politicians who abuse their expenses priviliges to account.
    Congratulations America

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    I am. I will be happier still once this party is dead. It is the bastard lovechild creation of the European Parliament and will die once we've left it. It's already beginning to die of its own accord.
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    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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