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    Historically, marriage was the surest route to financial security for women. Nowadays it's men who are increasingly getting the biggest economic boost from tying the knot, according to a new analysis of census data.

    The changes, summarized in a Pew Research Center report being released Tuesday, reflect the proliferation of working wives over the past 40 years — a period in which American women outpaced men in both education and earnings growth. A larger share of today's men, compared with their 1970 counterparts, are married to women whose education and income exceed their own, and a larger share of women are married to men with less education and income.

    "From an economic perspective, these trends have contributed to a gender role reversal in the gains from marriage," wrote the report's authors, Richard Fry and D'Vera Cohn.

    "In the past, when relatively few wives worked, marriage enhanced the economic status of women more than that of men. In recent decades, however, the economic gains associated with marriage have been greater for men."

    One barometer is median household income — which rose 60 percent between 1970 and 2007 for married men, married women and unmarried women, but only 16 percent for unmarried men, according to the Pew data.

    The report focused on U.S.-born men and women aged 30-44 — a stage when typical adults have finished their education, married and launched careers. The Pew report noted that today's Americans in this age group are the first such cohort in U.S. history to include more women than men with college degrees.

    In 1970, according to the report, 28 percent of wives in this age range had husbands who were better educated than they were, outnumbering the 20 percent whose husbands had less education. By 2007, these patterns had reversed — 19 percent of wives had husbands with more education, compared with 28 percent whose husbands had less education.

    In the remaining couples — about half in 1970 and 2007 — spouses had similar education levels.

    Only 4 percent of husbands had wives who earned more than they did in 1970, compared with 22 percent in 2007.

    During that span, women's earnings grew 44 percent, compared with 6 percent growth for men, although a gender gap remains. According to 2009 Census Bureau figures, women with full-time jobs earned salaries equal to 77.9 percent of what men earned, compared with 52 percent in 1970.

    "The gains that women have made in earnings and education are a notable reflection of a range of efforts to promote equal opportunities," Cohn said in a telephone interview. "But the earnings gap has not yet closed."

    The Pew researchers noted that the economic downturn is reinforcing the gender reversal trends, with men losing jobs more often than women.

    Deborah Siegel, a New York City writer, said she's living through some of the Pew report's trends as she returns to work three months after having twins while her husband — laid off from his corporate branding job a year ago — helps out with child care amid occasional freelance work.

    "For men, being laid off is such a huge ego blow," said Siegel, author of "Sisterhood Interrupted." "The recession may be ending, but we're still working out our dynamics."

    Stephanie Coontz, a history professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., who writes often about marriage, said she's been struck by the dramatic loss of manufacturing jobs that in the past had enabled many men without college education to earn high enough wages to raise a family.

    The loss of those jobs, said Coontz, "is something no feminist would take pleasure in."

    Yet she said the trends also reflected the fact that many husbands no longer feel compelled to be their families' sole breadwinner and are embracing a bigger share of household responsibilities and child-raising.

    "If it weren't for the gains of the women's movement, which have produced a steady equalization of women's wages and new incentives for women to get more education ... most families would have stagnated in their living standards even before the recession," Coontz said.

    The Pew report found that unmarried women in 2007 had higher household incomes than their 1970 counterparts at each level of education, while unmarried men without post-secondary education lost ground because their real earnings decreased and they didn't have a wife's wages to offset that decline.

    Unmarried men with college degrees made income gains of 15 percent, but were outpaced by the 28 percent gains of unmarried women with degrees.

    The shifts in earnings capacity coincided with a marked decline in the share of Americans who are married. Among U.S.-born 30- to 44-year-olds, 60 percent were married in 2007, compared with 84 percent in 1970. For African-Americans, the rates were even lower — 33 percent of black women and 44 percent of black men were married in 2007, the report said.
    Interesting.

    *insert smug comment about the superiority of women here*

    Has this trend also decreased the insecurity some men feel if their wives earn more than them?
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Women are superior by a mile and a half.

    Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. ~Charlotte Whitton.
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
    Which is what I am

    I aim at the stars
    But sometimes I hit London

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    The richest I've ever been was when I was a DINKy for 4 or 5 years.
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Yeah, I've read a couple of bits about this study. Not surprising. I know a couple of fairly modern couples where the balance of home work load is not even: the woman cooks, has the balance of child care, and is still expected to earn an equal amount.

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    It makes sense why women still have the gap -- society still hasn't figured out a way to allow most women to develop equal careers and still have kids. Plus the whole sexism bit.

    But I can't understand why marriage itself would be better for men. Why would that be?

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    I don't know, I was hoping someone else would read it and actually come up with something to make it make sense.
    We're stuck in a bloody snowglobe.

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    Don't get it from the article either. It even says only 22% of women earn more than their husbands.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Uhm... I've been married for 19 years, and this article makes one thing clear to me: Awoman in the middle of a nasty divorce wrote it. Unless we're to supposed to assume that the husband spends more time working/earning because he doesn't want to go home and see her.
    The worst job in the world is better than being broke and homeless

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumrunner
    Uhm... I've been married for 19 years, and this article makes one thing clear to me: Awoman in the middle of a nasty divorce wrote it. Unless we're to supposed to assume that the husband spends more time working/earning because he doesn't want to go home and see her.
    huh? The author didn't make the Census numbers.

    There's also an article in NYT about Germany's gender shift, comparing effects of kindergarten and all-day schools for young kids on women in the work force.

    ie Having good child care encourages women to go into/stay in the work force after motherhood.

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    I just realized that rumrunner is Munchkin. :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught
    I just realized that rumrunner is Munchkin. :lol:
    Then who is Munchkin?

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    Dreadnaught fail.

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    More Men Marrying Wealthier Women

    The analysis examines Americans 30 to 44 years old, the first generation in which more women than men have college degrees. Women’s earnings have been increasing faster than men’s since the 1970s.
    The education and income gap has grown even more in the latest recession, when men held about three in four of the jobs that were lost. The Census Bureau said Friday that among married couples with children, only the wife worked in 7 percent of the households last year, compared with 5 percent in 2007. The percentage rose to 12 percent from 9 percent for blacks, among whom the education and income gap by gender has typically been even greater.
    In 2007, the Pew report found, median household incomes of married men, married women and unmarried women were all about 60 percent higher than in 1970. But among unmarried men, median household income rose by only 16 percent. These days, men who marry typically gain another breadwinner.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/us/19marriage.html

    Same Pew study, different author (a male )

    Reading the comments was more interesting than the article----


    #20 The generation we're discussing here grew up with a whole lot of single mothers. Even girls who had two parent homes saw how hard it was on single mothers and vowed not to let that happen to them. They caught a clue, worked hard on their grades and made college a must. The boys, though, assumed the typical "I'm a boy! I'm in the club automatically!" stance and, without any fathers around to model hard work or responsibility for them, they just picked up their gameboys and playstations while their mothers were at work. Women have always demanded more from their daughters than their sons, and single mothers even more so. This has produced a generation of women who knew they were going to have to bust it out there to make it in the world and did so. Meanwhile, the boys learned to play a wicked game of Mario Brothers.
    So now we have a group of men who can consume technology but are unable to create it, who can eat but don't know how to cook, and who point their fingers at women and minorities, (in the states and overseas,) for "taking" all their jobs. No one ever passed these boys the baton and made them work. Thanks, boomers.



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    That comment section is arse.

    Nice to see that creativity hasnt died amongst women who work though...
    "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink, because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.

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    What do you mean Spawnie?

    Since this recession, I've read lots of 'anecdotals'. There are lots of resentful and even angry spouses out there...

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