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    Interesting is that typically you'd have to look for downright stalinist or nazi papers to see the term enemy of the people used. I suppose I shouldn't point out that being an enemy of the people meant that your life had no actual value.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Yeah and?

    The difference is that neither Nazis nor Stalin had a free judiciary and a free press that both have free will to criticise each other and the executive.

    We have both. Long may it continue.
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    And of course a judiciary under attack is free and independent. After all they can tell the lynch mob to behave.
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    Yes a judiciary under attack is part of a free, healthy and independent system.

    A judiciary with a compliant press is dictatorial. That you want obedience and compliance is not healthy.

    What lynch mob you crazed authoritarian? Pictures of this lynch mob please?
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    https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n10/alan-finlayson/brexitism

    Pretty consistent with most Leavers I know.
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    Can only read the preview but sounds like a load of codswallop to me.

    The future is unknowable but the issue is not people speculating and putting forward their projection as a best guess, it is those who speculate and then insist that they are right and those who disagree are wrong.
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    Right, the problem isn't the people who've consistently lied about what comes next and change the goalposts on a monthly basis.
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    You mean doom mongers like the pre-referendum government and our own Hazir with their claims of an immediate post-referendum recession? Which became "but you haven't invoked article 50 yet" and is now "but you haven't left yet" etc?

    Yes that is a reason why those who keep making incorrect predictions and change the goal posts are later told by the other side that they don't know the future. Doesn't make the other side obstinate for distrusting those repeatedly wrong.
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    Well Randy, actually things are starting to unravel with businesses looking increasingly to cut the UK out of cross border supply lines. Enjoy the inertia while it lasts. Unless your government is going to act realistic within the next 22 months you'll long for the days that project fear was the worst case scenario.
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    Yeah yeah so you keep repeating. Where's your evidence?
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    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Well it'd be pretty stupid for companies not to prepare for that and hope a deal will be reached. With the big problem is that right now there's no telling what the situation in two years will be so it's hard to make strategic decisions for the future.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Indeed Flixy, companies on both sides completing risk assessments and making plans is not the same thing as cutting the UK out of supply lines. Incidentally if there is no deal then since you have a balance of trade surplus that hurts the EU side more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    Well it'd be pretty stupid for companies not to prepare for that and hope a deal will be reached. With the big problem is that right now there's no telling what the situation in two years will be so it's hard to make strategic decisions for the future.
    Actually it's not, if a situation spins out of control, you brace for impact. You don't have a chipper conservation about how things might be alright after all. Which is why banks aren't waiting if the talks will deliver what they'd really want (nobody rocking the boat).
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Indeed Flixy, companies on both sides completing risk assessments and making plans is not the same thing as cutting the UK out of supply lines. Incidentally if there is no deal then since you have a balance of trade surplus that hurts the EU side more.
    Oh yeah, the project lie fantasy that the surplus is going to save you. I don't know what rubbish you use for information, but the reality is that exports to the UK count for less than the cohesion of the EU for most people overhere. And that includes decision makers and the so-called 'car lobby' in Germany.

    Brexit is Brexit, and it means whatever we want it to mean.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Remember one part of Project Fear was that the unemployment rate would shoot up immediately if Britain voted to leave the EU?

    Well today's figures show that the employment rate in the UK is now at the highest rate since records began in 1971.

    Far from the prospect of leaving the EU causing jobs to flee the country, we now have a higher employment rate than ever recorded during our EU membership, higher than even since before we joined the European Community.
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    You must be one of those types who believe in the power of whistling in the dark.
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    You're not?
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    No. Seems like your PM isn't either because the back pedaling has already started: No deal has dire consequences.
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    How is she back pedaling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    How is she back pedaling?
    From No deal is better than a bad deal. Seems your memory really is on a par with that of a goldfish.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    How is she back pedaling from that? The manifesto published today repeats the claim that no deal is better than a bad deal: But the Conservative’s manifesto reads: “We continue to believe no deal is better than a bad deal for the UK.” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7742516.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Indeed Flixy, companies on both sides completing risk assessments and making plans is not the same thing as cutting the UK out of supply lines. Incidentally if there is no deal then since you have a balance of trade surplus that hurts the EU side more.
    Plans are nice. Actually putting a plan into motion is a completely different beast. You don't change a production pipeline inside a week. That's usually something you plan years for. Which, by the way, you won't have at that point.
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    At this point it kinda feels like everything has already been said.
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    Yes it does kind of feel like we are going around in circles until something changes to break the loop.
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    Yeah, like your government getting a clue. That would be a major breakthrough.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    This may be news to you but the UK government is seeking to get the best deal for the UK not just whatever you "decide to make it". Funny that.

    I see you haven't clarified what you meant by writing that the PM was back pedaling from "no deal is better than a bad deal" on the day she published precisely that in her manifesto.
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    Yes, yes, we get it: Splendid isolation. A nation of has-beens, dreaming of former glory, not recognizing that the world has moved on long since.
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    Nope, no need for isolation, we can meet in the middle. We just won't meet your starting point.

    Don't worry, Barnier gets it even if you don't.
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    LOL, in the middle, he thinks we're going to meet in the middle. Would that be the middle of your total surrender and our basic demands? Because for that you may get a free trade deal for goods.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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