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    TBH I am starting to get a bit worried about the level of chaos in the UK at the moment. I sure hope that Brexit will happen on March 29th of this year. But in this kind of situation anything might happen.
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    Let's see what fresh chaos Tuesday will bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    TBH I am starting to get a bit worried about the level of chaos in the UK at the moment. I sure hope that Brexit will happen on March 29th of this year. But in this kind of situation anything might happen.
    You clearly didn't care enough to get a deal that could be ratified by Parliament.
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  4. #3274
    Oh my God, what a spectacular self-own to bring up the Welsh Assembly vote. Can't imagine her fellow conservatives were too happy to have their double standards exposed.
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  5. #3275
    How many more ways can May's incompetence be demonstrated?

    To be fair then the Conservatives opposed the referendum in the first place. Most Remainer MPs who want to block Brexit actually backed the EU referendum.

    The historical record for worst Parliamentary defeat for a whipped vote by sitting government was Ramsay McDonald in 1924, who lost by 166.

    All eyes are on whether May can beat this record.

    Ramsay McDonald to put it into more context was a Labour PM who is viewed now by Labourites in the same level of regard as Benedict Arnold is by Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You clearly didn't care enough to get a deal that could be ratified by Parliament.
    I just want you gone. With or without a deal.
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  7. #3277
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You clearly didn't care enough to get a deal that could be ratified by Parliament.
    Not really relevant. Irrespective of whether or not parliament ratifies the deal on offer, the UK is set to exit the EU automatically. Only way that doesn't happen is if revocation of the A50 notification is requested and granted.
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    Or an extension.

    Also revocation is automatic. The UK has the unilateral right to revoke. Be better than this deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or an extension.

    Also revocation is automatic. The UK has the unilateral right to revoke. Be better than this deal.
    Revocation of notification is subject to scrutiny by the ECJ.
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  10. #3280
    Well, today's the big today.

    Sunlit uplands here we come and to hell with the rest of the world

  11. #3281
    When are we going to tell Theresa May that Brexits just been a massive prank on her by the entire country, plus the EU? After the vote, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    When are we going to tell Theresa May that Brexits just been a massive prank on her by the entire country, plus the EU? After the vote, right?
    So, there is, as we speak, no deal. How are you Brits going to get back to a situation in which a deal is actually possible? Or are you just going to stick with no deal untill you Brexit?
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  13. #3283
    Fantastic result!

    Drop the backstop and we can have a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Fantastic result!

    Drop the backstop and we can have a deal.
    That 'plan'has already been rejected. So, do you have a real plan now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    So, there is, as we speak, no deal. How are you Brits going to get back to a situation in which a deal is actually possible? Or are you just going to stick with no deal untill you Brexit?
    It's that or not leaving at all at this stage, frankly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Drop the backstop and we can have a deal.
    You do know that Hazir doesn't have that kind of power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or an extension.

    Also revocation is automatic. The UK has the unilateral right to revoke.
    Indeed, I wrote that in a hurry. But Hazir's concern is misplaced so long as it seems unlikely that Parliament will be inclined and able to revoke the A50 notification before Brexit day, which remains the case regardless of whether or not there is a WA that Parliament finds palatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    You do know that Hazir doesn't have that kind of power?
    Not only do I not have that power, but the EU has repeatedly said already that there's nothing else on offer given the red lines of the UK government. The message is clear; as long as the UK doesn't come up with a new set of desires, there will be no new offer.
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  19. #3289
    The delusional Brexiter belief that concessions can be won from the EU by simply Talking To the Locals Very Loudly And Slowly In English, like the sterotype of a boorish upper class englishman on Holiday on the continent, would be pretty funny in any other circumstances, but it's the 11th hour right now and it's not funny in the least.
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  20. #3290
    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Not only do I not have that power, but the EU has repeatedly said already that there's nothing else on offer given the red lines of the UK government.
    Mandy Rice-Davies applies.
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  21. #3291
    To the surprise of no one, May has survived the no confidence motion and Corbyn (or perhaps more accurately those in his party who've been pressuring him to do this) joins the likes of Jacob Reece-Mog/the ERG, Boris Johnson, the Leavers in general and, indeed, Theresa May herself in the ranks of those in British politics who Did Not Do The Math.
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    So, you have a government. But do you have a plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    But do you have a plan?
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  24. #3294
    Interesting twist:

    https://www.ft.com/content/901f95fe-...4-d150b3105d21

    UK can delay Brexit without holding Europe elections, say lawyers

    Legal opinion could remove one obstacle if Britain seeks to stay in bloc beyond May vote

    Britain can extend its EU membership beyond summer 2019 without undermining the assembly, lawyers argue

    Britain can extend its EU membership beyond the summer of 2019 without taking part in European elections or undermining the European Parliament, lawyers have advised the assembly.

    Although contentious, the opinion from the European Parliament’s legal service potentially addresses a significant obstacle to Britain asking to delay Brexit beyond July 2, the inauguration date of the new assembly following the elections due in May.

    “The possibility for the European Parliament to be validly constituted following the 2019 elections would not be affected by a potential failure by the UK to organise elections,” the paper states, according to a copy leaked to the Financial Times.


    Without elections, the UK’s existing MEPs would remain until the new parliament was put together on July 2. In the new assembly, Britain would not have any seats. The other member states would have the same number of MEPs as now, with the chamber being reorganised only once Britain had left the EU.

    Senior EU officials believe Britain will seek to extend the timetable for its departure, scheduled for March 29, because it will run out of time to approve an exit deal or pass all the legislation needed for ratification. The Brexit deal Theresa May, Britains’ prime minister, negotiated with the bloc was overwhelmingly rejected by the UK parliament on Tuesday.

    If the EU27 granted an extension request, Britain would potentially need to take part in the May elections. That possibility has been a big factor in considerations of the length of any extension and is also a constraint on those campaigning for a second referendum in the UK, given the time needed to organise and legislate for such a vote.

    But some lawyers at the European Commission and European Council are sceptical that Britain could avoid electing MEPs without fatally undermining the authority of the new parliament and the subsequent decisions it would take, including the scheduled approval of a new European Commission in 2019.

    One senior EU diplomat said it would be “unthinkable” that Britain could still be a member state without holding elections and sending MEPs to Strasbourg. “That would bring the risk of an illegally composed European Parliament,” the diplomat said.

    Another senior EU official said there could be some “flexibility at the margins” but that officials were reluctant to “run the risk of an EU institution being constituted improperly”. Curbing a citizen’s right to vote “is not who we are”, the official added.

    Given the political importance of the decision, the views of EU leaders are likely to be crucial in deciding on the approach.

    One cumbersome route under consideration is to change the primary law of the EU to create an election waiver for the UK — a mini-treaty change that would need to be approved by all national parliaments in the EU.

    “In some of the key member states, senior officials believe that if the European Council wants to give the British an extension beyond July 1, the election issue could be solved in a one-page protocol that could be ratified relatively quickly,” said Charles Grant of the Centre for European Reform. “This would mean the British would not have to hold elections themselves.”

    The advice to parliament, first drafted in 2017 and recently reconfirmed to MEPs, says that the EU treaties require the assembly to meet a month after the elections, and note that “there is no rule hindering” the parliament being constituted “without all seats having been allocated at the time of the first sitting”.

    The advice does not specify what would happen if the UK does not leave the bloc, but many officials assume that it could in that case hold elections at a later date and take up its seats.

    Placing the consequences of non-compliance on the UK rather than EU, it argues that the failure of a member state to uphold its legal obligation to hold an election “cannot amount to an absolute bar to the regular functioning of the [parliament]”.

    If Britain failed to hold an election, it could potentially be sued by the commission or by citizens for failing to meet its treaty obligations and disenfranchising voters. But such a case could take months to work through the courts.
    Pretty much any UK voter would have standing to have this question settled in court.
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  25. #3295
    Absurd proposal unless our exit date has already been agreed and ratified to be imminent (in a more binding way than 29/3 is).
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  26. #3296
    "ORDER! ORDER! ORRR-DUHH!"

    I haven't followed Brexit much, but Bercow is certainly entertaining.

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    It is seriously disgusting to see this kind on non news creep through the media of the planet. Bercow does what all speakers before him have done.
    Congratulations America

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    Bercow is an awful man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    How stupid does one have to be to be elected to the House of Commons? Now May thinks that she can solve her brexit problems with a bilateral treaty with Ireland? Aside from the fact that such a treaty would be illegal, why I God's name would Ireland be giving up the full support of the EU to enter into negotiations with a counter party as unreliable as the UK?
    Congratulations America

  30. #3300
    I keep saying May is crap. Not sure how often I need to say I told you so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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