No I believe the ERG have said in a confusing manner they would only back it if the renegotiation was legally binding and not a non binding commitment.
The Brady amendment is a sensible route out of this impasse and everyone should back it. I'd be ok with removing the whip from anyone who opposes this now.
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You are aware that the EU will immediately reject the offer of a new negotiation if the Brady motion is accepted?
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How is it a route of the impasse? "Ask the EU to renegotiate"? I mean, it can't hurt to ask but if that's as far as their thinking goes we're in big trouble.
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A formal rejection is being drafted to be published after the vote in the HoC tonight. The answer will be no.
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It's a little funny to see the brave defenders of the constitution suddenly embracing amendments to the govt's motions
But getting kinda tiresome to see Brexiters still being out of phase with the Brexit process.
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The ayes have it, the ayes have it.
If the EU formally wants no deal they should just say so.
RandBladeanne Conway? RandBladebee Sanders? RandBlonald...?
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They already did.Formally.
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Ah, the "Our red lines are very import and can't be compromised on, your red lines are worthless nonsense and you're being unreasonable by not compromising on them" approach to negotiation, which has worked approximately *checks notes* zero times so far.
Riddle me this, if the EU were open to negotiating on the backstop what would you advocate the UK giving up in return? Or do you think you can just sort of talk to them firmly and expect them to cave?
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Well, he's wont to believe his Pied Pipers. And I do remember them claiming every single time that the UK would get whatever it wanted if only they had a negotiator with a spine.
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Sooooo, to recap:
"Shall we have a second referendum"
"No!"
"What about Theresa May's deal?"
"Also no!"
"So no-deal it is?"
"No again!"
Ya'll are fucked.
"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
"If the UK's intentions for the future partnership were to evolve, the EU would be prepared to reconsider its offer and adjust the content and the level of ambition of the political declaration, whilst respecting its established principles"
This is what parliament should be debating. Not fucking sending Theresa May back to Brussels to request a jar of magic unicorn farts.
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She's just going to apply the tried-and-tested British approach with Johnny foreigner by repeating the same thing but this time more slowly and louder.
TBH. In normal English that means; drop your red lines.
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Yes, but it looks mostly like a concession on the political declaration, rather than on the legally binding parts of the WA esp. wrt the backstop.
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It explicitly is that I would say.
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They're not our red lines, they're the EUs.
We won the referendum on two main arguments - control over our laws (including immigration) and control over signing new trade deals. The EU spent months and months after the referendum (before May made any commitments) reiterating their red lines that the four freedoms are indivisible and if we want to control immigration (let alone any other laws) we must leave the Single Market.
So May made the decision to leave the Single Market. On their red lines. If they want to make the four freedoms divisible I'm sure May would be happy to revisit her red lines.
It's a stretch to claim that the referendum was won with arguments. Perhaps you mean dog whistles and lies?
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Yeah, whatever. You may feel we care who you try to blame for the clusterfuck that Brexit is going to be, but the only reason anybody pays attention at all is that the political circus in westminster is cheaper than Netflix and often makes us laugh.
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This sounds really compelling until the moment everyone recalls that the rules of the single market and the EU's position on FoM etc predate May's red lines by many years. The decision to leave was yours, and the decision to impose red lines that conflict with the rules of the single market was also yours. Consequently, the responsibility for the resultant shit-show is... yours. It is beyond ridiculous to expect your counterpart to assume the responsibility for helping you out of a mess you walked into willingly—with your eyes wide open—by sacrificing their long-established principles & jurisprudence. The Tories made promises they can't deliver on, and are now desperately grasping at straws, but the responsibility is ultimately theirs, no matter how you try to spin it. The latest development is just kinda sad, and greatly undermines trust in the UK as a partner.
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And we'll never forget he voted for this madness.
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UK helping the EU on the way out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/w...on-brexit.html
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What makes it even funnier is the way the backstop came about.
Item : no hard border in the island of Ireland
EU : So what about a backstop for NI?
UK : unacceptable, we rather have a UK wide backstop.
EU : not too happy about it, but if that's what you want. OK then.
UK : this UK wide backstop is totally unacceptable.
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Yes, you can blame the DUP for that little piece of stupidity.
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Yes, I could do that. But I rather blame RandBlade and people like him who voted out because I wasn't offering his little ego a 'positive reason' to vote remain. And after that little tantrum. He voted for the the bunch of chancers that used his stupid vote in the referendum to mean any fucked up plan they pulled out of their asses.
And maybe, just maybe the Tories could have tried just this one time not to govern like only half of the people in the people didn't count for shit.
So, if you blame the DUP, remember how these certified extremists, representing a minority in Northern Ireland, became this powerful again.
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In my opinion, David Cameron is more responsible than Ramblade.
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Asking the people wasn't such a bad thing. Voting without bothering to think about what you voted for is
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Asking the people then half assing the campaign was such a bad thing.
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