Tory democracy: one referendum cannot be reversed under any circumstances, but multiple failed votes on the same topic means the government should keep on trying.
Tory democracy: one referendum cannot be reversed under any circumstances, but multiple failed votes on the same topic means the government should keep on trying.
Hope is the denial of reality
No. It. Is. Not. Parliamentary supremacy. Read about it. Referenda aren't even binding. I'm not sure what idiots you expect everyone else to be, but democracy doesn't preclude revoting. Or ignoring non-binding referenda for that matter.
Hope is the denial of reality
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
You aren't going to convince him with examples from non-English cultures.
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
What's changed?
Name one person on this forum who has changed their mind.
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There is no such freaking thing. Your morality is little more than demanding that everything go your way. I actually read dozens of articles on democracy/democratization. You know how many of them even talked about democracy requiring no revotes? None. This is not a thing. It's a lie that Tories managed to convince themselves of and now they get angry when the rest of the world doesn't buy into their delusion.
There is no need for change (though the Leave side blatantly lied about how Brexit would work, and did so with the help of illegal financial contributions). You have a legitimately elected government. That government has the right to maintain the status quo or go against it as long as it goes through the proper constitutional channels (something May seems to be ignoring with her own Commons revote). There is nothing democratic or undemocratic about it.
Hope is the denial of reality
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There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
No, it would be more like saying that if you don't like the results of an election then there should be another election before the election winner gets inaugurated.
Once we've left absolutely everything that leavers claimed may or may not come true and some of it may be stupid. But we should leave and then judge it. Just as if there's an election and a party wins it they should be inaugurated.
This is completely made up. I don't know if you buy into your own BS, but this is an argument the Tories invented to justify their stupidity. How about you go and find an actual definition of democracy that rules out revotes?
Meanwhile, this is the new Britain:
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Hope is the denial of reality
The British public's opinion on a second referendum is clear:
When the sky above us fell
We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
Say, didn't you argue once in a while that "no government should be held hostage by decisions by a previous government"?
And now you argue that a decision by a previous government should hold the current one hostage.
I'm deeply impressed and you'll of course immediately begin to argue that this is something completely different.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Absolutely I did. No hostage though. This government was elected on an unequivocal mandate to implement the decision made in the referendum. Nothing has changed since then.
If people at a future general election want to change course absolutely that would be fine. That's not what this government was elected to do though.
What. "Unequivocal"? I must've misread those election results. Those were far from an "unequivocal" statement, especially this snap election debacle of May's.
And, by the way, governments and parties always promise a lot. Doesn't mean that promising to shoot yourself is something you should actually follow through just because you promised it.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Party manifestos are not binding. Again, you invented out of thin air a new requirement for democracy and you did so only because it benefits your cause.
Hope is the denial of reality
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Then stop giving BS reasons for a BS position. Parliament has the full right to hold as many referenda as it wants on the same topic. Parliament has the full right to ignore as many referenda results as it wants. It might be bad politics, but it's not undemocratic. What is undemocratic is claiming that certain policies can't be reversed just because. Referenda don't have special constitutional status. May is free to make them have that status, but she has not (because, as you know, she's completely inept).
Hope is the denial of reality
Yes I am tell you that both the Tories and the DUP which combined won a majority both promised to Leave.
Indeed not only did they both do so, but so too did the main opposition party. Well over 80% of MPs were elected on manifestos pledging to respect the referendum result.