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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Now however Boris has shown he was serious suddenly we are getting critical changes. Now its a matter of finding a replacement and getting it agreed, something that was previously impossible. Secondly, it is now a case of Boris negotiating with national leaders rather than Tusk and Barnier.
    I hate to say, it but Boris has been making good progress. Just 20 days ago, the EU was insisting that the backstop was 'essential', but he's already managed to talk them down to 'indispensable'. I fully believe that by October, he will have gotten them all the way down to 'crucial' or even 'vital' and they may have entirely run out of synonyms by October 31st, and then where will they be? They'll have no choice but to accept a deal on whatever terms we want. What a great man.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

  2. #4142
    Net inflow of 58k EU migrants. That's net.

    Impressive.

    And glad we're no longer targetting the tens of thousands but net migration still over double that dropped cap. Impressive.

    LOL that was amusing Steely
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  3. #4143
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Net inflow of 58k EU migrants. That's net.

    Impressive.

    And glad we're no longer targetting the tens of thousands but net migration still over double that dropped cap. Impressive.

    LOL that was amusing Steely
    Smaller and smaller increase in beer drinkers. What's your bottom line?
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  4. #4144
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Net inflow of 58k EU migrants. That's net.

    Impressive.

    And glad we're no longer targetting the tens of thousands but net migration still over double that dropped cap. Impressive.
    The ONS is now more open about the issues with their LTIM estimates that I pointed out previously, and immigration from the EU is indeed plummeting even though students have continued to visit. Sectors reliant on EU8 migrants are seeing difficulties with finding enough workers. Johnson going back on the Tories' pledge to their voters doesn't change the fact that the UK's access to this labor has been and will continue to be restricted. You might call this impressive, but it is just a continuing series of preventable self-owns.
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    The British press is so dumb and so mendacious that the clearest and most truthful leader in the EU has to expend additional effort on ensuring that British media doesn't derpify or just plain lie about her statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The ONS is now more open about the issues with their LTIM estimates that I pointed out previously, and immigration from the EU is indeed plummeting even though students have continued to visit. Sectors reliant on EU8 migrants are seeing difficulties with finding enough workers. Johnson going back on the Tories' pledge to their voters doesn't change the fact that the UK's access to this labor has been and will continue to be restricted. You might call this impressive, but it is just a continuing series of preventable self-owns.
    Some people really need to run head-first into a wall to recognize that doing so is a stupid idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    I know you're desperate for any good news in all this, but literally nothing has changed in the last few days. If a solution to the Irish border problem can be found the backstop isn't needed. That's always been the case.
    He seems to think that he found a clever "gotcha!"

    When in reality things went like this:

    EU: "So, to keep things compatible with the GFA we need a solution."
    GB: "Well, what about A, B, C?"
    EU: "Yeah, we need something that works. And by 'works' we mean like, in a working condition in time for your exit, not at some unspecified date in the next two decades."
    GB: "What about a backstop then? We keep the UK aligned with the EU in all necessary ways until we have found a concrete, working solution?"
    EU: "That would work, yes."

    That has always been our position, Rand: The backstop is only needed for as long as there's no concrete implementation of a solution. If you come up with something that works, great! The backstop is not needed.
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  8. #4148
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    That has always been our position, Rand: The backstop is only needed for as long as there's no concrete implementation of a solution. If you come up with something that works, great! The backstop is not needed.
    Which is why you wonder why the backstop is such a big deal for these guys, given that they think the problem at the Northern Ireland border is easy to solve.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

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    The backstop has become such a totem because it exposes how at its most basic level Brexit is a lie. Brexit was supposed to be about taking back control, restoring Britain to its old glory amongst the great nations of the world. The reality of Brexit is that it's about loss of control, in the case of the NI border even abdication of control. And in stead of Britain re-emerging, it's being put in its place and has to accept that it's not just Brussels that's pushing it around but even bloody Dublin takes precedence.

    Resistance against the WA is Brexitard nostalgics hanging on to their dreams.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  10. #4150
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Which is why you wonder why the backstop is such a big deal for these guys, given that they think the problem at the Northern Ireland border is easy to solve.
    The border is easy to solve with compromise. With the backstop in place the EU has no reason to compromise which is why it is so totemic to them to get this bullshit in now.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The border is easy to solve with compromise. With the backstop in place the EU has no reason to compromise which is why it is so totemic to them to get this bullshit in now.
    Yeah, Rand, "compromise". What are you talking about here exactly? In detail, please. I mean, it's easy so it should be easily explained?

    Also, while you're at it, explain how your compromise does not collide with rules, laws and other deals the EU has to uphold. Also remember the fact that the EU has Norway and Switzerland to consider. Also, in case it slipped your mind, remember that a non-member does not get the same levels of access as a member. Lastly, why should we trust you when you obviously don't care about what you said yesterday?
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  12. #4152
    And there it is. Magic border-erasing technology = "compromise" = undermining international and EU law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    The border is easy to solve with compromise. With the backstop in place the EU has no reason to compromise which is why it is so totemic to them to get this bullshit in now.
    Actually we have been excessively lenient with you lot. Things are going to be a lot more difficult for you if you really go for this no-deal nonsense.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  14. #4154
    This is embarrassing even for a perennial derphead like Harwood:

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    Some genuinely inspired writing as we approach the season finale



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    Marc Rutte has said explicitly that he agrees with the message Merkel and Macron have given Johnson about Brexit. He summed that message up as :

    1. the backstop is indispensible given the red lines the Brits have brought to the table.
    2. alternatives to the backstop have been looked for for over three years, it's not very likely that we'll find any alternatives before the 1st of november, but we're willing to look at these alternatives.
    3. any such alternative can be addressed in the political declaration.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  17. #4157
    British govt's theft of The Onion's intellectual property continues apace:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  18. #4158
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

  19. #4159
    The Queen has approved.

    The fuck is going on...

  20. #4160
    Business as normal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  21. #4161
    An unelected Prime Minister suspending parliament with no general election in order to force through a version of Brexit that had previously sworn blind would never happen is a lot of things, normal isn't one of them.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

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    Finally, the executive is taking back control from the people's elected representatives.
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    I called it when I said that BoJo will do an end-run around parliament.
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    Did he smile his work to see?
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  24. #4164
    You're overreacting.

    Parliament is being shut for 4 sitting days before the annual state opening occurs for the first time in over 2 years.

    Parliamentarians didn't want to change their six weeks holiday but you'd swear 4 days was the end of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  25. #4165
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    I'm with that one MEP, though for different reasons. Your MPs and the general public have no one to blame but themselves. The unending farce has to end at some point and you've manifestly shown you are unable to end it without "help."
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  26. #4166
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I'm with that one MEP, though for different reasons. Your MPs and the general public have no one to blame but themselves. The unending farce has to end at some point and you've manifestly shown you are unable to end it without "help."
    Don't you have some creeping authoritarianism to normalise in your own country?
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

  27. #4167
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You're overreacting.

    Parliament is being shut for 4 sitting days before the annual state opening occurs for the first time in over 2 years.

    Parliamentarians didn't want to change their six weeks holiday but you'd swear 4 days was the end of the world.
    I wonder how you would have reacted if May did something like this to push through her WA.

    Overreacting....

    Hypocrite....

  28. #4168
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    An unelected Prime Minister suspending parliament with no general election in order to force through a version of Brexit that had previously sworn blind would never happen is a lot of things, normal isn't one of them.
    It's the govt's intent that makes this move so questionable from a constitutional perspective. Not surprised to see that RB's carefully cultivated simplism has blinded him to this.
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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Don't you have some creeping authoritarianism to normalise in your own country?
    It's hard to divine a country's borders from a high horse.
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