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    The ERG have somewhere between 60 and 80 MPs, they can't ditch them - it would be even more devastating to the Tory party than what Boris has done to them.

    Also a Hard Brexit is now essentially government policy, not something they want to avoid.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    The ERG have somewhere between 60 and 80 MPs, they can't ditch them - it would be even more devastating to the Tory party than what Boris has done to them.

    Also a Hard Brexit is now essentially government policy, not something they want to avoid.
    But the fun is that nobody on the government benches is necessary for a majority any longer. Maybe the entire erg is too much, but kicking out everybody who dares to revolt against whatever deal is agreed would strengthen what could be the Conservative party again.

    It's a bit va banque but if the EU is going along with it, for example by refusing further extensions after a deal at the Council. Then the people who want a deal cannot hide behind Boris Johnson any longer
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful

    In a summary of their findings, the Court of Session judges said they were unanimous in their belief that Mr Johnson's decision to suspend was motivated by the "improper purpose of stymying Parliament".

    They added: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the Prime Minister's advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."
    Shockingly, it turns out that Mr Johnson may not have been entirely honest.
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    Court in England says lawful, Scotland says unlawful. Interesting. NI court yet to rule. No case in Wales.

    Supreme Court will settle it on Tuesday. Almost certainly has to overturn one of the lower courts but which one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Court in England says lawful, Scotland says unlawful. Interesting. NI court yet to rule. No case in Wales.

    Supreme Court will settle it on Tuesday. Almost certainly has to overturn one of the lower courts but which one?
    Nothing surprises me any longer in the three ring circus you lot made of Brexit and politics in general in the UK. Now let's see if the Supreme Court considers itself qualified to rule on the issue.

    I presume that technically MP's who decide to convene as if Parliament is in session as well as those who think that is unlawful both stand within their right?
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    Hey Randy, now that the 'Brexit with no deal will be just fine' boys that somehow is still called HMG have joined Project fear, are you still as happy with your choice as 3 years ago? Are you going to absorb higher prices for ingridients for your customers? Or are you just going to price yourself out of the market?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    What fear are you talking about?

    You surely aren't talking about Yellowhammer so is there something I've missed?
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    No, just talking about the parts of Yellowhammer that will deprive your business from ingredients needed at the low prices you are used to. Isn't it difficult breathing with your head stuck so deep in the dirt?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Yellowhammer is a worst case scenario without mitigation, a stress test, it's not what will happen.
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    I'm just waiting for Brexiteers to start offering their first born in exchange for a no-deal Brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yellowhammer is a worst case scenario without mitigation, a stress test, it's not what will happen.
    Yellowhammer report describes the no deal "base case" as well as reasonable worst case. They have taken into account measures that been taken to mitigate some of the problems.
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    He's also not aware that 'mitigation' also can mean mainland producers not even bothering to try.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    That is indeed one of the important mitigation strategies being assumed in the best NDB case—many businesses canceling or diverting shipments, thus reducing strain on ports as well as on businesses and the various parts of their supply chains.
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    Hey Randy. Just wondering, how does it feel to have a PM who's routinely humiliated?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    We're all more or less used to that at this point.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    We're all more or less used to that at this point.
    Agreed. Been standard fare since May's failed election.
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    Haha, that's really funny. Didn't the acclamation of the Hulk change the balance of power dramatically after all? Clearly Randy's sense of honor is so flexible that soon he'll declare abject surrender a victory. And tell us that this was exactly what he voted for and is proud of.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    We'll see what happens yet, despite Parliament I'm still hopeful.

    Fingers crossed Boris and the UK are pissing you off just enough that you give us the concessions we want just to be rid of us

    There seem to be increasingly hopeful signs that EU leaders are getting exasperated enough with us.
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    While that plan is certainly playing to Boris's strengths, I don't think the EU is going to compromise it's interests just because Boris is annoying and difficult to deal with.
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    We'll see what happens yet, despite Parliament I'm still hopeful.

    Fingers crossed Boris and the UK are pissing you off just enough that you give us the concessions we want just to be rid of us

    There seem to be increasingly hopeful signs that EU leaders are getting exasperated enough with us.
    Which signs? Where have the been reported? Exasperated enough to do what beyond letting you crash out if you want to, or maintain today's status quo at best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    We'll see what happens yet, despite Parliament I'm still hopeful.

    Fingers crossed Boris and the UK are pissing you off just enough that you give us the concessions we want just to be rid of us

    There seem to be increasingly hopeful signs that EU leaders are getting exasperated enough with us.
    Quoted for posterity. "Hope" you see the irony, Rand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    We'll see what happens yet, despite Parliament I'm still hopeful.

    Fingers crossed Boris and the UK are pissing you off just enough that you give us the concessions we want just to be rid of us

    There seem to be increasingly hopeful signs that EU leaders are getting exasperated enough with us.
    That's the most positive way to put that the EU claims boris has yet to come up with any realistic proposal, and that he was not very knowledgeable during the meeting. But sure, not preparing properly for the one job you have to do is part of the plan.
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Which signs? Where have the been reported? Exasperated enough to do what beyond letting you crash out if you want to, or maintain today's status quo at best?
    Some of the pro-brexit tabloids have been trying to make it look like the EU is on the verge of caving. I guess he believes them?
    One more summer and yet another, the more things change the more they stay the same
    Apathetic inaction is gaining traction, when the lost don't play they lose the game
    Don't fade out we'll go off script, the last scenes behind our silent lips, we're signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act
    Nobody's seen the first act of a hundred stories just like yours through the history of an endless war
    They've come back, signed on for a sequel but nobody's seen the first act before

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