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  1. #4471
    I don't agree.
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  2. #4472
    Good thing you're not a British negotiator.
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    British negotiator in action:

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    British negotiator in action:


    That was Theresa May's entire tenure as Prime Minister!
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    It's unbelievable how you believe that De Pfeffel did any better.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    It's unbelievable how you believe that De Pfeffel did any better.
    I wanted him to get rid of the backstop.

    He got rid of the backstop.

    What are you struggling to understand? I made my position quite clear on the backstop and thanks to Boris it is gone.
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    I wanted him to get rid of the backstop.

    He got rid of the backstop.
    By pushing NI into a separate customs territory, yes, thanks for that #winningbylosing
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I wanted him to get rid of the backstop.

    He got rid of the backstop.

    What are you struggling to understand? I made my position quite clear on the backstop and thanks to Boris it is gone.
    He got rid of the backstop. You love to repeat that quite a lot don’t you? You still don’t understand that the part of the backstop that was taken out was exactly the part the EU didn’t like?

    Your man went into a relatively simple negotiation and gave away something huge in return for nothing and you think that’s a good thing? After this joker ‘gets Brexit done’ you’re going to move from a place at the table to a place on the menu and you’ll learn what it means to be breakfast.

    What I struggle with is how someone could be seeing this happening to his country and be cheering the people responsible for it on.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  9. #4479
    This sort of behaviour is being displayed by large numbers of people--mostly dudes--all over the Anglosphere. See eg. the US since shortly after the Brexit referendum
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  10. #4480
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    By pushing NI into a separate customs territory, yes, thanks for that #winningbylosing
    Besides it being untrue and even if it was true . . . Who cares about that?

    Better that than the alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    He got rid of the backstop. You love to repeat that quite a lot don’t you? You still don’t understand that the part of the backstop that was taken out was exactly the part the EU didn’t like?

    Your man went into a relatively simple negotiation and gave away something huge in return for nothing and you think that’s a good thing? After this joker ‘gets Brexit done’ you’re going to move from a place at the table to a place on the menu and you’ll learn what it means to be breakfast.

    What I struggle with is how someone could be seeing this happening to his country and be cheering the people responsible for it on.
    This is a prime example of how negotiations aren't zero sum. We didn't like the backstop, you didn't like the backstop but thought it was necessary - Boris found a solution that meant we got rid of the backstop we didn't want and you got rid of the bits you didn't want. Win, win for both parties.
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  12. #4482
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    This is a prime example of how negotiations aren't zero sum. We didn't like the backstop, you didn't like the backstop but thought it was necessary - Boris found a solution that meant we got rid of the backstop we didn't want and you got rid of the bits you didn't want. Win, win for both parties.
    Sure, if you redefine "we" to exclude DUP, for whom this was indeed zero sum and has resulted in a major setback
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    Why would I associate myself in "we" with the DUP? I'm a Tory not DUP. Sure exclude them all you like, I don't care about them. I don't particularly like the DUP, they opposed the GFA itself too. I do like former Ulster Unionist Party Leader, Nobel Peace Prize Winner and Good Friday Agreement signatory Lord David Trimble who opposed the backstop but backs Boris's deal. The DUP can go whine from the sidelines unless they win a majority in Stormont in which case they can vote to end the special arrangements Boris negotiated.
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    The Conservative Party is a unionist party, in name at least. It gave up Northern Ireland for all intents and purposes. And all we had to do was accept a rule of consent that realistically can never be turned against us.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    No it didn't. It gave devolution to Northern Ireland's Stormont Assembly, devolution has existed for a long time now.

    What's your problem with devolution? I have none, what's your issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No it didn't. It gave devolution to Northern Ireland's Stormont Assembly, devolution has existed for a long time now.

    What's your problem with devolution? I have none, what's your issue.
    You know that unionist will never have the numbers. The union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is de facto over. It's not devolution its abandonment.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  17. #4487
    Fine. If the unionists don't have the numbers that's democracy. I'm cool with that.
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    So, you are fine with giving us NI. You're also fine with not getting anything in return for it?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    If that's what the voters want - I always have been. I'm a democrat.

    If the voters want to go completely then please take it, you'd be doing us a favour! No need to ask for anything just pick up the tab.
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    You are dodging the question.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    No I'm not. How was "If that is what the voters want - I always have been" dodging the question?

    If you want a one word answer then: Yes.

    How can I possibly be clearer?
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    You're one of the voters. Which means that this is what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No I'm not. How was "If that is what the voters want - I always have been" dodging the question?

    If you want a one word answer then: Yes.

    How can I possibly be clearer?
    So, you think a good negotiation means that you make big concessions in return for obeying the rules of the other side?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

  24. #4494
    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    You're one of the voters. Which means that this is what you want.
    Yes this deal is what I want, that's why I'm voting for the government to be re-elected. I'm happy with it.

    But for the NI-specific protocol once this goes through its future wouldn't be determined in Westminster, or Brussels, but in Stormont where it belongs.
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    So, you think a good negotiation means that you make big concessions in return for obeying the rules of the other side?
    What big concessions have we made?

    Do I think in a good negotiation my side of the negotiation should make concessions at all, yes of course I do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What big concessions have we made?

    Do I think in a good negotiation my side of the negotiation should make concessions at all, yes of course I do!
    You de facto gave away Northern Ireland. In return you got nothing besides the right to obey our rules for another 11 months.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    We de jure kept Northern Ireland and gave the Northern Irish the choice over what happens in the future to them. That's not a concession. Are you so undemocratic you think we should have denied them a choice if that's an option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    We de jure kept Northern Ireland and gave the Northern Irish the choice over what happens in the future to them. That's not a concession. Are you so undemocratic you think we should have denied them a choice if that's an option?
    De jure. However, we have possession.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Who cares? What are you trying to prove? I couldn't care less, they can vote however they please its none of my business.
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    I'm not proving anything. Just pointing out your government has crap negotiation skills and/or zero leverage
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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