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    Breaking: Cummings fires Javid. Hires someone better at preaching his slogans and gains full control of No. 10 and 11.

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    Rishi Sunak is very talented. I personally tipped him on another site as a value bet to be next Prime Minister:
    Link, guest article on another politics site:
    https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/11/29/a-200-1-tip-for-next-prime-minister/

    Today's article referencing my tip: https://www7.politicalbetting.com/in...iss-reshuffle/
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    English Trump has learned from American Trump. Good thing Javid had the sense to resign rather than fire his advisors for stupid political reasons.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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    I guess we now know what it feels like to have unelected bureaucrats running the country.

    We're leveling up!
    Last edited by gogobongopop; 02-13-2020 at 03:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    I guess we now know what it feels like to have unelected bureaucrats running the country.

    We're leveling up!
    What unelected bureaucrat are you talking about?

    Cummings isn't a bureaucrat he's an advisor and every PM has always had those. Plus he can easily be sacked at an election, he went into the election as Boris's advisor and Boris won a massive majority. Had Boris lost the election then we'd have Seumas Milne in his place who is/was Corbyn's equivalent.

    Bureaucrats can't be sacked at elections, that's the difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Oh ok, I guess we now know what it feels like to have unelected advisors running the country.

    Leveling up!

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    But what's more interesting is how Randy no longer is a fanboy of Javid.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    But what's more interesting is how Randy no longer is a fanboy of Javid.
    I am. I'd have been quite happy for Javid to have replaced May and in the unlikely event of Boris going any time soon then I'd be happy for Javid to win, though for purely private reasons I'd be happier for Sunak to win (I bet £20 @ 250/1 that Sunak will be next Prime Minister which gives me one hell of an incentive to want Sunak to win ). However there's no vacancy and Boris is PM and he's more than capable of leading this country and has my full support.

    What Boris has done yesterday is cut the Treasury down back to size, which is not a bad thing. Under Gordon Brown the Treasury became a "government within a government" and that wasn't healthy, the TB-GB period was not a good period of government. Under their successors it was moot, Brown was crap and on his way out. Cameron and Osborne were genuine and close allies so operated as one team not against each other. May was crap. Johnson has sought to redesign the structure so that there is now a joint economic team of SPADs that work across Numbers 10 and 11 so that they're on the same page. Its sane, rational joined up government and makes sense to do. Javid chose not to accept those terms, that's fair enough and I respect him for walking away, hopefully in a year or two he can be back in a more junior role after a subsequent reshuffle (as happened when May sacked Gove only to bring him back later).

    The PM historically used to be the head of the Treasury. The Prime Minister's official title is First Lord of the Treasury, the Chancellor's official title is Second Lord of the Treasury. Having a joint Treasury team across Numbers 10 and 11 makes sense to me and I support that. Its worth noting that historically the Prime Minister was the Chancellor, as recently as Gladstone. Having the Chancellor and the PM not being on the same page is not a good idea and I'm glad going forwards they will be more like Cameron/Osborne and less like Blair/Brown.

    PS the Prime Minister at reshuffles has the absolute right to create/abolish/merge/change departments and restructure things. It happens with most PMs. Tony Blair famously once abolished a department at a reshuffle because he forgot it existed and forgot to put someone to fill its post!
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  10. #4690
    There's "not being on the same page" and there's removing anyone who thinks differently, scrutinises or challenges you. And then replacing them with powerless yes men and useful idiots.

    At least May had the courage to fill and keep a cabinet full of diverse opinions, ideas and with people who would challenge her. With such a weak opposition, that kind of approach is essential and is in the national interest.

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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    There's "not being on the same page" and there's removing anyone who thinks differently, scrutinises or challenges you. And then replacing them with powerless yes men and useful idiots.

    At least May had the courage to fill and keep a cabinet full of diverse opinions, ideas and with people who would challenge her. With such a weak opposition, that kind of approach is essential and is in the national interest.
    There are many powerful and diverse people in the cabinet.

    And a few duds I must admit.

    Whom is it that you miss from May's cabinet? Hammond? Rudd? Fox? Davis? Gauke? Cairns? Leadsom? Fallon? Green? Clark? Grayling? Green? Greening? I'll agree with Hunt and Javid but May originally got rid of many of Cameron's strongest cabinet ministers like Osborne and Gove.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Pretty funny if true:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EdConwayS...79325344051200

    UK export stats greatly distorted by a US bank reclassifying ownership of its gold assets.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    You realize, of course, that the British bureaucracy has been there all along.
    Yes, and they sometimes absolutely worship it (EG NHS).

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    You guys remember that I strongly alluded to the rise of Nazism recently?

    Well, turns out that BloJo just hired a racist guy who's a fan of Eugenics:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-of-racial-iq

    Also:

    Sabisky, 27, has claimed black Americans have a lower than average IQ than white people and are more likely to have an “intellectual disability”. He also tweeted: “I am always straight up in saying that women’s sport is more comparable to the Paralympics than it is to men’s.”[...]

    Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, said over the weekend that Sabisky’s comments were “not my views and those are not the views of the government”.

    However, the prime minister’s deputy official spokesman said Shapps was speaking only for himself when he made that statement.
    Their true colours just showed. Despicable.
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    You guys remember that I strongly alluded to the rise of Nazism recently?

    Well, turns out that BloJo just hired a racist guy who's a fan of Eugenics:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-of-racial-iq

    Also:



    Their true colours just showed. Despicable.
    He is a very stable genius.

    http://theworldforgotten.com/showthread.php?t=7497
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    Well, at least he did what BloJo didn't have the balls to do: He quit.
    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

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