You don't have even partial control.Originally Posted by RandBlade
Your thoughts about "fleecing" show precisely why you are the bad faith partner and why we're quite right to ensure that we have full control to ensure that doesn't and can't happen.
Interesting that so far the trade balance has improved by billions per month, alongside reclaiming a billion pounds in net contributions per month. So far so good.
In the real world the EP has voted in favor of ratification.
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You're right, its not partial control we've taken back complete control.
All your Project Fear bullshit has evaporated into the night. It was lies on top of lies. Life is good outside the EU, don't be so afraid.
Good to see the EP act like the good rubber stamp boys and girls they are. Our Parliament voted before the deal came into effect, not after it.
Progress in trade talks with India now.
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Well, good for you. That should put your trade with India on the same level as your trade with The Netherlands in a decade or so. If you're lucky.
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India is soon going to be (if its not already) the world's most populace nation, overtaking China. There is far more potential to expand trade with India than there is with the Netherlands.
Not to forget of course that this comes on top of, not instead of, our zero tariff, zero quota trade deal with the Netherlands etc
Best news for India—or, rather, for its upper-middle class—is the slight relaxation of immigration restrictions stemming from the UK finally acknowledging that Indian students and tech-workers in the UK are not a high-risk group wrt visa-overstaying. It will be interesting to see if India deepens and broadens its strategic partnerships with eg. France etc. to emphasize migration and cooperation on climate issues etc. more, rather than on military matters (eg. billions in military equipment trade, regional military- & counterterrorism cooperation).
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Indeed its worth noting that this is far from the first post-Brexit liberalisation on immigration rules for skilled migrants from the rest of the world outside of the EU.
Indeed its also worth remembering that during the EU referendum both Johnson and Patel suggested that skilled migration from India could be liberalised post-Brexit, something that was laughed at by many at the time (including from memory by Loki here when I mentioned it here). Now of course those two are PM and Home Secretary respectively and precisely that is happening.
Indeed, India is a much more interesting market than the UK. We already are talking. Maybe this time you can do better than just the crumbs that fell off the table (see your deal with Japan).
P. S. The Netherlands has no quota for skilled labor from anywhere. Not even from the UK.
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Our trade talks with Japan are already much more interesting than those the EU got, not less. The UK/Japan deal went further than the EU/Japan one did on things like Services - plus the UK is looking to build even further upon that with issues like CPTPP. Though it doesn't surprise me that you don't understand the difference, comprehension of these issues hasn't been your strong point.
1. the projected net positive effects of your deal with Japan fall well within the margin of error of every projection ever made.
2. the quotas you have under the Japan deal are for a relevant part defined as the part of the EU-quota's not used.
3. your fantasy of joining the CPTPP will probably just stay that; for starters because there is no appetite in the region to let in your service industry and secondly because they have little to nothing to gain from letting you into the trade in goods.
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1. Projections are projections, not actualité.
2. The quotas for dairy etc that were shared aren't the particularly interesting part of the agreement. The UK/Japan deal went further on services than the EU one it replaced did, that's far more interesting.
3. We'll see. You've predicted so much so far would be a dream, like the UK leaving the EU's orbit, that you keep being wrong about. Maybe the rest of the world isn't as insular as the EU.
Liz Trust said today that this deal is only possible because of Brexit. That's not true though, is it? It's not an FTA. It's a business deal akin to the one we did in 2015; only that was a bit bigger at £9 billion.
Still good news I guess. Seems a bit meh though.
She's right, in a sense—had it not been for Brexit, this deal wouldn't have been as pressing for the UK, and would've been less feasible for India. Brexit has forced the UK to prioritize relationships and ventures that it would've been quite lukewarm towards, had it remained in the EU. It's straight outta Forgetting Sarah Marshall
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You actually believe this don't you?
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Yes.
Seriously, you remind me of flat-earthers. Your believes have no connections to the real world.
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That's amusing; I could say the exact same thing about you.
You could say anything. That doesn't make it true.
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That's amusing; it is the same for you too.
Quality debate right there, folks. Brought to you by the "I have to have the last word" brothers.
No YOU'RE being irrational!
"When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: Why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first." - Werner Heisenberg (maybe)
As expected the British government has granted the EU Ambassador to the UK full diplomatic status. Took them only 3 months to give in.
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The dumbest tantrum of the entire saga. So stupid and undignified that nobody with any self-respect will defend it on the record.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You two are so hilarious. The UK didn't give in, the UK got what it wanted, what should have been done four months ago and said we'd give diplomatic status as soon as that happened.
It was a petty tit-for-tat for the way the EU was messing around with ratification of the TCA. The moment the messing around stopped, the UK stopped messing around on diplomatic status. Its called diplomacy and for you to not piece together the pieces really betrays your lack of serious or intelligent thought on the subject.
To refuse to ratify a treaty that you'd agreed for four months some would call stupid and undignified. To hold up diplomatic status until it was ratified, then grant it as soon as it was, is just petty diplomacy. Welcome to the real world.
Next time maybe the pair of you could rub two braincells together to connect the dots rather than just lashing out with the first thing that pops into your head without realising what you're talking about?
French fishermen and the French fishing minister threatening to blockade Jersey.
UK is sending two ships to Jersey, just to ensure things stay calm.
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And Jersey folds under the pressure applied.
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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
If there's an FTA there's less of a need for Freeport status. The Freeports deal with trade with countries we don't (yet) have an FTA with.
Its giving an either/or benefit, not an and one.
Some very good economic figures came out today.
GDP down in First Quarter (expected due to lockdown) but by less than expected and faster than expected recovery in March.
Trade recovered again in March following the unwind of Q4 stockpiling at the start of the year.
Overall Q1 the UK Services surplus in trade Q1 grew by £3bn.
Overall Q1 the UK Goods deficit in trade fell by £4bn.
Overall Q1 balance of trade improved by over £7.6bn almost wiping out the deficit.
I expect the balance of payments to deteriorate again as the unwind of stockpiling rolls out, though the growth in services surplus was a big surprise. The faster than expected recovery in March is good news, which should continue in Q2 but the unnecessarily cautious lifting of lockdown will slow growth in Q2 compared to what it could have been.
Will be interesting to see how figures continue, but some very, very positive figures today.
Construction sector interestingly is now better than it was pre-pandemic, the first sector to more than fully recover.
The latest from Comical Dave, its the UK's fault for the fact that the EU are resuming their travelling circus of decamping to Strasbourg - because we never initiated a vote to stop that, even though France would definitely veto it.
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Forgetting to mention its part of the Treaties of course. Some people are never going to get over Brexit.
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