Brexit Begins

[RandBlade]

LOL, clearly you never bothered to look at the treaty between China and Switzerland. I guess that means you'll deserve it if you get the same deal

We're not Switzerland we are much, much bigger than them. But yes I'd rather their deal than the EU's deal.

[Aimless]

"No deal is better than a bad deal but a bad deal is better than no deal." #brexit

[RandBlade]

Well which do you believe? Their deal is not a bad deal, it may not be a perfect one but its better than no deal.

Its amusing though seeing those who keep insisting that the UK must sign a bad deal with the EU pleased that there is no deal with China. Seems that a bad deal is better than no deal except when it suits you.

[Hazir]

We're not Switzerland we are much, much bigger than them. But yes I'd rather their deal than the EU's deal.

Their deal being that China gets free access to the Swiss market years before the reverse happens.
Enjoy.

Oh and that's before you get to the numbers

[RandBlade]

Cheaper goods to purchase with the added bonus of the Swiss having ultimately got access to China. Sweet. I've already said I'd be OK with simply having unilateral free trade.

[Aimless]

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[Hazir]

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Are you surprised? Given that the average Brexiteer either has Alzheimer's or fakes having it?

[RandBlade]

He's calling Liam Fox a nobody.

He's not wrong when you view it like that

[Aimless]

Are you surprised? Given that the average Brexiteer either has Alzheimer's or fakes having it?

It's easier to score when you can move the goalposts at will.

[Aimless]

Well, that sort of settles it doesn't it? I don't see any deal making it throught the EP after this.

Pretty much. The Brexiteers are pretending that this is a cunning strategy that will force the EU to give the UK access in exchange for compromises on the proposed policies. It is a proposal though, not yet official afaict.

[Aimless]

Lot of discussion about the withdrawal bill:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfMarkE...09896312696832

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidalle...87555973156866

[RandBlade]

Progress is being made, now the EU wants to talk about trade already: https://www.ft.com/content/f2f002de-...6-11d2f0ebb7f0

(If you don't have a subscription Google "Brussels kicks up Brexit stink over Parmesan and Champagne" and click the link.)

[Hazir]

Progress is being made, now the EU wants to talk about trade already: https://www.ft.com/content/f2f002de-...6-11d2f0ebb7f0

(If you don't have a subscription Google "Brussels kicks up Brexit stink over Parmesan and Champagne" and click the link.)

So, we decide what's being talked about and what not. That's what takıng back control means.

[RandBlade]

That's always been the case. You think we wanted to talk about Constitutions or a Single Currency etc?

The difference is that once this transition is over then we can have whatever bilateral talks suit us both rather than having an agenda that suits others permanently foisted upon us. I don't understand why you'd be unhappy with that, it suits us both.

[Hazir]

That's always been the case. You think we wanted to talk about Constitutions or a Single Currency etc?

The difference is that once this transition is over then we can have whatever bilateral talks suit us both rather than having an agenda that suits others permanently foisted upon us. I don't understand why you'd be unhappy with that, it suits us both.

Which transition? Don't assume that there will be any just because you think it is necessary.

[RandBlade]

We are already in the process of transitioning.

[Aimless]

https://mlexmarketinsight.com/insigh...et-campaigners

Chortle.

[Hazir]

We are already in the process of transitioning.

You are not.

[RandBlade]

transition
tranˈzɪʃ(ə)n,trɑːnˈzɪʃ(ə)n,tranˈsɪʃ(ə)n,tranˈsɪʃ(ə )n/
noun

• 1.
  the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another.

Parliament has voted to enact Article 50 (which you considered all important when it wasn't invoked), it has been invoked. We are in the process of changing from being members of the EU to being one of the world's many independent nations outside the auspices of the EU.

[RandBlade]

So it seems Barnier remains in delusional "have cake and eat it" mode wanting a solution to the Irish border, but no talk on trade, then complaining about a proposal because of the trade element he won't talk about.

You can't have both. If you want to "preserve the integrity of the Single Market" then as far as trade is concerned the solution to the Irish border is going to be the same as the solution to the Anglo-French border etc so you need to decide what you want that to be. Which means talking about it.

[Hazir]

Parliament has voted to enact Article 50 (which you considered all important when it wasn't invoked), it has been invoked. We are in the process of changing from being members of the EU to being one of the world's many independent nations outside the auspices of the EU.

You have informed the Council of your intention to leave, nothing changed.

As for the things we tell you we want; Well isn't that too bad for you? We make the music and you dance to our tune.

[Hazir]

Sometimes it's hard to tell who are more annoying; brexiteers who keep saying that brexit is going to be just brilliant or the remainers who think the have partners in Europe who are willing to throw the whole structure overboard just to keep them in. It's really mind bogling how either side in the UK doesn't understand we see freedom of movement as the solution rather than as a problem. I mean, it's a pretty sorry state if you've reached the point where Varoufakis makes more sense than the entire commentariat in the UK.

[Aimless]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tion-uk-brexit

*waves flag*

[Aimless]

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[RandBlade]

LOL Chappers is back is he? Hope he's recovered from his very public breakdown last month.

[Aimless]

His question is a good one.

[RandBlade]

Considering the government isn't aiming for a hard Brexit I'm not sure why its necessary to put the public off the idea of what is a worst-case fallback option if the EU won't come to the table.

The government should plan for all sorts of contingencies for all sorts of problems. Doesn't mean they want those problems to come to pass.

[Aimless]

Considering the government isn't aiming for a hard Brexit I'm not sure why its necessary to put the public off the idea of what is a worst-case fallback option if the EU won't come to the table.

The government should plan for all sorts of contingencies for all sorts of problems. Doesn't mean they want those problems to come to pass.

That is an absurd defense. Regardless of what the govt. says it "wants"--which has been extremely unclear, I might add--a hard Brexit is one of the reasonably plausible scenarios and may be a consequence of the govt's approach to the negotiations. It is important for voters to know what that scenario may, in the govt's view, entail, so that they can determine how hard they want the govt to try to avoid that scenario. We're not talking about a contingency plan for an extraterrestrial invasion here.

[RandBlade]

There's no election on. The government needs to do its best job and then be judged accordingly.

[Aimless]

Also absurd. Democracy isn't just something to dust off for elections, it's a continuous and active process. Informed and active citizens can, should and do influence their representatives in between elections. Brexit is the most important undertaking by a British govt. in several decades, and the outcome of the govt's strategy will shape the lives of tens of millions of people in very noticeable ways, for decades to come. It's not a game where you can fuck up and then shrug your shoulders and go, "Dah well."