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    Any solution will, as we Germans say, attempt to square a circle.
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    In other news... no passporting. I say "news" but obviously expected by everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    In other news... no passporting. I say "news" but obviously expected by everyone.
    Oh well. Anything that any Brexiteer of any denomination ever saw as possible after Brexit is proving to be just another pipe dream so this should be no surprise to anyone.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post


    It'll certainly be interesting to see how this is resolved.
    Trade deal so no hard border between A and D. Its not us insisting upon a hard border between A and D.
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    Trade deal so no hard border between A and D. Its not us insisting upon a hard border between A and D.
    I thought leavers explicitly voted for a "hard border"? Wait, actually, I don't think they collectively had a clue what they were voting for

    And anyway, on trade, the EU won't budge and rightly so (from their perspective). MB today: "Those who say Britain can enjoy parts of the single market must stop this contradiction... The integrity of the SM is non-negotiable".

    Pretty sure we knew this before we voted, but let's just hope David Davies et al can persuade them otherwise. Are you confident they can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    I thought leavers explicitly voted for a "hard border"?
    Leavers [as a whole, I was not that bothered] voted for migration control but that's not an issue. Migration control doesn't happen at the border, it happens when getting a job, place of residence etc

    When I hire somebody I need to take proof of right to work in the UK, I can go to prison if I hire someone who doesn't have the right to work in the UK. I have been on holiday to multiple nations where I have no right to work without ever getting a visa. If you want to you could get plane tickets today without a visa to visit Australia, the USA or Canada but good luck getting a legal job in any of those nations without one!

    Free movement across Ireland is not affected by border control between England and France which already exists anyway. Try getting from England to France without showing your passport to anyone already today - we're not in Schengen and neither are Ireland already. But even if the English/French border control was abolished that wouldn't affect control of migration very much.

    So all that matters is trade and we can and should negotiate that.
    And anyway, on trade, the EU won't budge and rightly so (from their perspective). MB today: "Those who say Britain can enjoy parts of the single market must stop this contradiction... The integrity of the SM is non-negotiable".

    Pretty sure we knew this before we voted, but let's just hope David Davies et al can persuade them otherwise. Are you confident they can?
    No but until we start talking we can't know what issues need addressing, it is a logical impossibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    I thought leavers explicitly voted for a "hard border"?
    They did not. Most appeared to be more or less unaware of this problem and so voted for or endorsed policies that have a hard border as a necessary consequence (specifically, leaving SM & customs union).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    They did not. Most appeared to be more or less unaware of this problem and so voted for or endorsed policies that have a hard border as a necessary consequence (specifically, leaving SM & customs union).
    I'm starting to favor putting the UK in the group of nations whose citizens need to apply for a visum for all types of visits.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    That's insane, it'll make it much more difficult to go watch musicals when they retaliate with their own visa requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That's insane, it'll make it much more difficult to go watch musicals when they retaliate with their own visa requirements.
    At most they'll introduce some e-visum you can get by paying €10 or so by credit card.

    By the way, EMA goes to Amsterdam. That is good news for me I guess
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Extremely sad day for corruption.

    But not as sad as Sandro Gozi saying that losing the EMA contest is like losing the world cup on a coin toss.

    Because apparently losing the EMA contest is the closest Italy is getting to the world cup finals

    In more hilarious news:

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    Aaaand EBA to Paris.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    In other news... no passporting.
    Well there goes the country/ my job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuk2 View Post
    Well there goes the country/ my job.
    So... somewhere else in Europe or SEA?
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