Yawn. That was a boring dud. Got something new?
Yawn. That was a boring dud. Got something new?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
No. How about an old one?
How many Germans does it take to change a light bulb?
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Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
Are you actually Basil Fawlty?
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Oh, we do have one. It's just amputated at birth and sent to work in the saltmines.
How many Brits does it take to change a light bulb?
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When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I didn't mention the war.
Now we're getting somewhere.
How many Dutch people does it take to change a light bulb?
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I have to object. The answer is obviously 'one'.
The digging up of the originals is entirely left to the Turks. The changing part we can bloody well do without any help at all.
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15,188,407.
Spoiler:
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Shot: http://www.businessinsider.com/boris...-brexit-2018-2
Chaser: https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rexit-11270041
Hangover: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1GB1TC
Tomorrow will be an exciting day.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Seems like we have reached the point where the EU is going to decide on an exit deal which the UK can take or leave. It also seems like this deal is not going to be very respectful of British red lines or going to give much weight to the internal problems the UK might encounter as a result.
I think the EU can partly blame itself for British cakeism; they got used to being able to get all sorts of special arrangements. It's not strange that they don't immediately understand that what made this possible was their membership.
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Aaaaaand May has crapped all over it.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
She's conceded already on the transition period which I expected that was a stupid area to pick a stand on as I said at the time.
The N Ireland proposal is utterly unacceptable though.
Which is funny because this is what she agreed to in december.
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So why was it agreed in December? Option C was in the agreement as the fall back. Option A means all of the UK stays in the customs union and possibly the single market and option B means you Brits have a system in place that enables us to control you in a way we can trust you to not being naughty. And that 13 months from today.
Maybe someone should tell Theresa that Brexit means Brexit.
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See previous discussion about the naive British belief in fudging.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The Dutch citizenship case is going to be very exciting. Wonder if it will influence the negotiations.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Nothing is impossible but I don't expect much out of that. The maximum option to me seems to be that the ECJ will establish that those who are using their rights under the TEU before the UK exits keep their rights. Other Brits most likely not.
About the fudging thing; it's kind of incomprehensible how the Brits don't understand that a deal inside a club is different than dealing with an outsider.
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Because its not what was agreed in December. Nor does "no hard border" and a "customs union" mean the same thing.
Here we have the border between the EU on the left and a nation the EU has a customs union with on the right:
Is that what you mean by "no hard border"?
While here we again have the EU on the left and a nation this time not in a customs union on the right:
According to Wikipedia there are 30 roads crossing that border that don't have customs stations so allowing crossings without customs stations is not only already possible its already done.
So what was agreed in December? What I just described is exactly what the Irish PM who was involved in the talks thinks was agreed. And what was reported in newspapers on both sides. If Theresa may says no British PM would sign up to this then it's time for her to resign.
WRT to the Swedish border; which steps did the British government take towards installing such technical solutions that it can guarantee Northern Ireland will not become a smugglers paradise? We both know they did exactly diddlydoo towards that and that means that in 13 months time you will not have a system in place. So that wonderful option falls off.
The border between Turkey and the EU on the other hand was there because of Turkey's security concerns and that's not going to change very soon.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eu-brexit-deal
It makes clear the whole of the UK, including Northern Ireland, will be leaving the customs union.
From your own link :
It leaves unclear how an open border will be achieved but says in the absence of a later agreement, the UK will ensure “full alignment” with the rules of the customs union and single market that uphold the Good Friday agreement.
Now tell me which later agreement you lot have been able to come up with. All we get is your idiot foreign minister blabbering about what could be done about it, but the the question where the beef is, remains entirely unanswered.
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Which is not what has been announced today by the EU. What has been announced today by the EU is that "The territory of Northern Ireland... shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union," which is not what was agreed in December.
Here is the Irish News report at the time, nowhere does it say that Northern Ireland shall be considered in the customs territory in the Union instead it repeatedly quotes people explicitly saying that its been agreed that Northern Ireland is leaving the Customs Union.
The agreement in December also explicitly agreed that the whole of the UK was what was being discussed not simply Northern Ireland yet that's been stripped out of this draft.http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...talks-1205661/
Mrs Foster, who negotiated directly with Mrs May into the early hours of Friday, said Northern Ireland would now leave the single market and customs union and insisted there would be no border down the Irish sea, dividing Northern Ireland with the rest of the UK.
"There will be no so-called 'special status' for Northern Ireland as demanded by Sinn Fein," she told the Press Association.
It is exactly what was put forward by the EU today; lacking other solutions (for which we need your lot to make up your minds about what the fuck it is you want and your government stop promising things at home that are totally impossible in combination with the things they agree to outside) we can only write down that you already have promised full adherence in Northern Ireland. Because that is the only thing you said that makes any sense at all.
That you have an idiot for PM who doesn't even understand the most basic elements of how you could even hope to come to an agreement (hint: it's not pandering to the most extreme wing of your own party) AND who obviously doesn't know what she put her paw under, well, that is kind of a problem for us. But it's not a problem we're gonna fix for you.
Oh, I just realized that there is this other little thing you and your Brexidiot friends don't understand; we are legally bound to NOT negotiate any Trade agreement with you prior to you leaving the EU. And unlike what regard you lot have for the rule of law, we believe in it.
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Your entire political establishment makes the Trump White House look like a smoothy running professional outfit. And that's coming from someone who read Fire and Fury.
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No you're not legally bound not to do that.
Actually we are.
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No. You're not.
So, please explain how the EU can agree a trade deal with a part of itself?
And that would assume you lot stop dreaming and come up with a plan for the future. Little hope of that.
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Because the EU is negotiating with a member nation for a deal that will follow membership, not one that will enter into force during membership. There is nothing in law to prevent that.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...DOC+XML+V0//EN
No withdrawal agreement without solving Ireland border issue in a way that is consistent from a legal perspective with the December agreement, ergo no statements about future relationship described in the withdrawal agreement until Ireland border issue is solved in a way that is consistent with December agreement. We told you back then that it was foolish to count on "fudging" to get you through this.7. Notes that the agreement setting out the new relationship between the EU and the UK, and based on the above framework, can only be formally negotiated once the UK has left the EU and is a third country;
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
That's not a law. This is.
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union.
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