Metro is published by DMG, same as the Daily Mail. It's much the same shit as the DM just summarised into smaller chunks for commuters.Originally Posted by gogobongopop
Metro is published by DMG, same as the Daily Mail. It's much the same shit as the DM just summarised into smaller chunks for commuters.
Ah, I didn't know that. Even more influential in the anti-EU message then.
The top newspapers in the UK--print and esp. digital--are preferred by Leavers and tend to promote Leave propaganda along with their regular menu of xenophobia, racism, hate, etc. A gammon is known by the company he keeps.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
This thread summarizes what we know so far about a pretty astonishing series of potentially illegal shenanigans:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Hugodixon...74160863367168
However, it's important to remember that the people involved are as ignorant about laws as they are shady.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Oh man:
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The fact that people who worked on the leave campaign open admit that they lied and cheated speaks volumes.
I'm not optimistic about anything changing though. Arguably the [advisory] referendum could be deemed invalid - but the country will literally implode if we have another. It's pretty fucked up.
The only benefit I can see from all this is the lesson we're sending to other countries: never hold referendums. Just don't. Ever.
Well yes the fact there may have been a 0.6 million overspend will not sway any Leave voters when the spending caps were flouted by the government spending £9 million on pro-Remain propaganda immediately before the cap came in. Within the letter but not the spirit of the law.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35984991
That is certainly an idiotic defense of covertly breaking the law and trying to keep the crime hidden.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You missed the word allegedly.
As gogobongopop rightly recognised this is not of legal consequence since the referendum was advisory, this matters in the court of public opinion and in public opinion an alleged overspend that amounts to ~6% of the overspend by Remain that the government gave prematurely is not going to change opinions.
Oh, suddenly the referendum is advisory only!
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
So it was legal then.
And you may not think it's within the 'spirit' of the law, but there was absolutely no 'good spirit' about the lies, untruths and bullshit made by the leave campaign.
It always was legally. The government said all along it would do whatever the public decided and no government would survive not doing so but that's a different matter.
And there was within the lies, untruths and bullshit made by the remain campaign?
Maybe consider a moment the mote in your own eye?
There's no comparison. Worst of all, Leavers continue to lie.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
We've been through this. The "lies" you claim were forecasts that haven't been as extreme as predicted. Largely due, I might add, to the remedial action the BoE put in place immediately after.
There is literally no comparison.
No, people continue to have different opinions to you.
Your problem is that your opinions on what Brexit is are by and large irrelevant besides consistently wrong. Since none of that can be news to you we can only assume that you condone the peddling of lies on the subject matter.
Congratulations America
*shrug* Brexiters have lied and continue to lie to the public about costs, laws, logistics, their agreements, their assessments (see eg. lies about impact reports) etc. They also lie to negotiators. There is literally no comparison. You're doing the equivalent of defending Trump by saying that everybody lies sometimes. There is no comparison.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Even this?
Twitter Link
But, shock horror, The Sun got things wrong!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategoriz...-for-bargains/
Yet Mogg hasn't deleted the tweet and refuses to backtrack.
Even that?
Or is it instead ignorance; because many of our MPs don't actually understand what the SM/CU is? Surely that's worse.
I suppose it doesn't matter really. Our gutter media and many MPs know that we (the public) generally don't care if we're lied to as long as the message reinforces our fears and prejudices. A large proportion of us seem to like that and damn any facts or evidence that might hold contrary to belief.
Last edited by gogobongopop; 03-27-2018 at 07:25 AM.
It's neither of the above. It's an ignorance displayed by both parties on the difference between wholesale and retail prices.
The problem people are ignorant about is assuming the price they pay retail is the same as the price wholesale. If it was every single retailer in the country would go out of business! Instead retailers make a margin on top of the wholesale price and different industries have different models on how that works. Supermarkets can cope with rather thin (but still need some) margins other industries can not.
My general rule of thumb is that 20% of what I sell is VAT. Of what remains one third goes on cost of goods sold (ex VAT), one third goes on labour and one third goes as margin for overheads and anything left over as profit.
That means marginally over a quarter of the retail price is the cost of goods sold. A tariff or tax or duty or anything else won't cost the customer in the end just what the tax costs as it will be multipled to fit within the retailers budget.
See as an immediate example on 6 April the sugar tax. Already many restaurants are printing on their drinks menus different prices for sugary soft drinks to sugar free ones with an asterisk saying from 6 April.
The cost for me to buy Pepsi Postmix (syrup) is going up by over 30% wholesale! I will be passing on that tax with a margin plus VAT to my customers. I can't and won't absorb that tax myself and simply passing on the tax alone will break my budgets and not account for wastages etc that need accounting for too. I'm not increasing it by a full 30% but nor am I just increasing it by the tax plus VAT alone.
Last edited by RandBlade; 03-27-2018 at 10:16 AM.
But Randy, the biggest lie was about Brexit being possible for only the parts you didn't like.
Despite being told that it wasn't going to happen. You knew that you would not even get a deal as good as Cameron was offered. Yet that is what you (were) promised by the politicians you chose to follow.
Congratulations America
In your eyes that was the biggest lie and in your eyes its not going to happen.
In my eyes I expect a deal better than what Cameron was offered. The thing is we have different ideas about what defines better. That doesn't make either a lie.
You are completely delusional; not only has there never been such a chance, but also the reality of the 'negotiation process' is in the opposite direction.
Congratulations America
Again only because you have a different interpretation of what defines better.
This is not a matter or opinion. The deal you can get is one within parameters set by us. The deal we were willing to give Cameron was the absolute maximum we would give to a member state. This maximum is now off the table to never return there again. The reality now is that for everything you want to keep, there is a price to pay. If we will let you keep it at any price at all.
Nothing you take for granted today will automatically be yours on the day you're out. Absolutely nothing.
Congratulations America
Irrelevant.
You seem to be under the completely bizarre and incomprehensible misapprehension that we want more off you and that only more can be better.
Of course we didn't vote to Leave the EU because we wanted more ...
The issue isn't what we want to keep, its what we want to get rid of. We're not looking for a new "maximum" and why you think we want a maximum on the way out is beyond me.
Let's try small words. There are things you like. You want to keep them. We will not let you keep them. Saying that you can keep them is a lie.
Congratulations America
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Lets try one big word: negotiation.
There will be give and take. Dropping things in a negotiation is not a lie.
There are no negotiations. You give us all we want in exchange for some face saving leeway. In stage one, two and now three of the process.
There are no rows, no fights and whenever you imply having the freedom to decide something we nail you to your latest concession.
Congratulations America
I don't want to sell the hide yet, but I feel a bit celebratory.
Congratulations America
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