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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    He brought up a very valid point; the fact that you Brits have some crazy idea about 'it was us wot won it' about WW2. It wasn't you who won it, it were the peoples of your empire, the Americans and the Russians that won it. You on the other hand were merely taking cover on your island untill the Americans and Russians were ready. And let me repeat it; that was only possible because of the French buying you time to start with.

    So there we have it; your biggest achievement in WW2 was being behind a moat that Hitler hadn't the means to cross. You think you valiantly fought all on your English own against a huge German Reich and thus have it in you to conquer the world again.

    The people who should in your warped way of thinking be proud as hell of WW2 would be the Germans; after all, they fought through all of that bloody war against 3 empires and still it took 5 full years to stamp their ambitions out. No hiding on an island waiting for others to save their sorry asses.
    Bollocks. Again the Battle of Britain and the Blitz were both before Pearl Harbour. Had we lost that then the Germans would likely have invaded. I never said we unilaterally defeated the Germans we were part of an alliance but we didn't have our "sorry asses" saved, we had done that already, we needed help to liberate the rest of western Europe while the Russians dealt with Eastern Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    I note that you conveniently forgot Russia which likely had far higher numbers than the UK...
    No likely about it and I didn't forget them. I specifically mentioned them earlier where I said they could be first or second depending upon how you view it. They certainly had the biggest body count.

    Without the UK though there'd have almost certainly been no America either taking on Germany and D-Day couldn't have been staged from New York. In an alternate universe if the Germans defeated us in the Battle of Britain and finished the western front in 1940/41 then its extremely unlikely that America would have crossed the Atlantic on their own. What defeated the Germans was both the western front and the Eastern front and to that the UK and USSR played critical roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Bollocks. Again the Battle of Britain and the Blitz were both before Pearl Harbour. Had we lost that then the Germans would likely have invaded. I never said we unilaterally defeated the Germans we were part of an alliance but we didn't have our "sorry asses" saved, we had done that already, we needed help to liberate the rest of western Europe while the Russians dealt with Eastern Europe.
    Haha.
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    Are you seriously suggesting that had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour Germany would have successfully invade the UK? How? You're claiming this despite the fact that we had already defeated the Luftwaffe and the most significant attacks on us had stopped by that point?

    Indeed the USSR was only attacked by the Nazis after​ they had lost the Battle of Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Are you seriously suggesting that had the Japanese not attacked Pearl Harbour Germany would have successfully invade the UK? How? You're claiming this despite the fact that we had already defeated the Luftwaffe and the most significant attacks on us had stopped by that point?

    Indeed the USSR was only attacked by the Nazis after​ they had lost the Battle of Britain.
    You seriously think that repeating the same nonsense in a different guise makes it more plausible ?

    Hitler did not attempt to invade Britain; the invasion failed at the drawing board in Berlin, not at the white cliffs of Dover.
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    Oops, the PRC's ambassador to the EU told his government isn't really up for any trade agreements with the UK if there isn't a EU-UK deal first.
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    And then the British negotiators were sent off to London to come up with a new proposal for the Irish border. Is there going to be a jump off of the cliff in 11 months?
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    No.

    The Irish don't want a jump off the cliff. They don't even want Brexit so they're trying to frustrate it, that doesn't mean they want a cliff edge.
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    they're trying to frustrate it
    Just out of interest - how so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    Just out of interest - how so?
    Obviously by demanding that a deal be upheld which created lasting peace along the border. The bastards!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No.

    The Irish don't want a jump off the cliff. They don't even want Brexit so they're trying to frustrate it, that doesn't mean they want a cliff edge.
    Ah, that old story again. Like you're not going to roll over and give everything we want at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    Just out of interest - how so?
    Well at the moment by seeking a Brexit In Name Only.

    If at the end of this process we have to still follow EU rules even domestically, still can't control our own laws, borders and trade etc ... but don't have a say over EU rules and regulations then that would surely be utterly pointless and the worst of all worlds.
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    Yet strangely close to what I said you would get.

    Brexit is Brexit and we are going to enjoy it.
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    Hahaha, it's really funny how the chickens keep coming home to roost; Varadkar has suggested that the EU should stop talking altogether until the UK comes up with an acceptable plan for the Irish border. It's so much fun to raid the Breximaniac toolbox every now and then.

    Cue Breximaniacs whining about the EU being guilty of bullying. After a year of them saying that the UK should just walk away.
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    Aren't the Brits here getting upset with the blatant lies of their own government? Declaring everything is going to be just fine when the other side is considering - publicly - to end negotiations altogether?
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    Our government should panic as one side is bluffing? It's standard fare and we're used to it.
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    And see here why the Brits won't be able to get a good deal; they think they know the way these negotiations go.

    You're not going to save this one with a last minute fudge. You'll only save it by conditionless surrender on Brexit day.
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    Yawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Our government should panic as one side is bluffing?
    Keep telling yourself that.
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    On the other hand, you can always ramp up the money laundering business:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rters-of-fraud

    A spokesman for the Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy (BEIS) was careful to point out to me last week that Brewer was not being altruistic when he made his warning to Cable: he was losing business as a result of the changes to Companies House. Although this is true, it does not detract from the fact that Brewer had a point.
    Yeah, criticism is only valid if you have no stake in the matter at hand. Nor may you point out illegal implications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    On the other hand, you can always ramp up the money laundering business:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rters-of-fraud

    Yeah, criticism is only valid if you have no stake in the matter at hand. Nor may you point out illegal implications.
    From the article, when are people going to accept that the private sector generally does things better than the public sector?
    “I’m in the private sector now and I see the power of the analytical software used by financial institutions. It’s decades ahead of law enforcement,” he told me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    On the other hand, you can always ramp up the money laundering business:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rters-of-fraud
    Yeah, criticism is only valid if you have no stake in the matter at hand. Nor may you point out illegal implications.
    An interesting article.

    Brewer should have taken more caution before knowingly committing a crime to make his point. He admits he was naive in doing so. Yet you can sense it was borne out of his frustration at facing the brick wall of government who readily ignored his warnings and desire to put some control on Companies House. Or at worst, they believed he was a scammer, as mentioned by Cable's office. Like I say, he should have taken more caution.

    His point is entirely valid though. Working as I do on global anti-money laundering, we regularly see the prevalence of British-registered shell companies being used as the basis for layering dirty money into the financial system. Scottish Limited Liability Partnerships (LLPs) feature particularly prominently, as mentioned in the article, due to the fact that you don't need to name a Beneficiary owner to set up an LLP, removing even the basic requirement to make up a name if you want to set up a shell. This loophole was shut down in June last year with a change to Scottish law requiring Scottish companies to set up with Companies House - so brought up one notch to the level of bad as English company registration. Northern-Irish LLPs still have the same loose registration requirements however, so expect money laundering to shift there for a while until that gets shut down.

    Brewer's naiveté aside though, it is clear that Companies House needs an overhaul to bring in the oversight it clearly lacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    From the article, when are people going to accept that the private sector generally does things better than the public sector?

    “I’m in the private sector now and I see the power of the analytical software used by financial institutions. It’s decades ahead of law enforcement,” he told me.
    Only because financial institutions are obliged to do so under government-driven regulation through the likes of the FCA. FIs have the huge financial clout to develop the sophisticated analytics mentioned in the article here, but I doubt we would spend as much as we do were we not subject to the regulations we are.

    So perhaps this is the best of both worlds. The private banking sector can afford the comprehensive, complex and data-heavy analytics which public law-enforcement clearly cannot, we collate genuinely suspicious activity into case reports and present those (in the UK) to the National Crime Agency (NCA) to prosecute. Private sector does the expensive legwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    From the article, when are people going to accept that the private sector generally does things better than the public sector?
    Riight. Listen, just because you morons make everything government-related nonfunctional doesn't mean that it doesn't work. It just means that you people are particularly inept at it.

    You're also not only not even trying to make it better, you're actively sabotaging the system.

    The GOP in the US has the same playbook: Underfund public services and enact bad policies and then, when the system inevitably fails due to your sabotage, then you can point out that "government is bad".
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    The incompetence is breath taking. DIT isn't fit for the taskTaking back control much Randy ?
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    The UK was once the Ottoman Empire?

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    The reason we became so successful Anna is that Thatcher reformed our economy.

    As for Ken's point it is complicated as many EU trade deals are based more around what Germany excels at than what we do. How many EU trade deals allow as free an export of our Financial Services as German automobiles? Outside the EU we can sign deals suited to us. Germany is also assisted by the Euro (which is counteracted by Italy and others being damaged by it)
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    Ah, another contribution from the magic Kingdom of Brexitania. Once you are out of the EU China and India will open their markets to you like we've never seen before.

    Now click your heels three times and say 'there's no place like lala land'
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    Our newspapers are currently stating that a Brino looks very likely: A "Brexit In Name Only"
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    That or a 'fuck off and don't let the door slap you in the ass'.
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