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    Thomson Reuters to transfer forex derivatives business to Dublin:

    https://amp.ft.com/content/5b04d32e-...-f6677d2e1ce8?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    In more "special relationship" news:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...pay-drugs/amp/

    Of course, Trump won't be in charge by the time a bilateral UK-US deal is concluded, but cost of pharmaceuticals is likely to be an important point of contention nevertheless.
    What a load of codswallop. If Trump wants to fix the broken American healthcare system he should look domestically and not overseas, the notion of increasing drug prices overseas (which wouldn't reduce domestic ones anyway) succeeding is about as likely as the Mexicans paying for his wall. The end of the article says it best
    Nigel Edwards, chief executive of the Nuffield Trust, an independent health think tank, disputed that British patients were freeloading at the expense of their American counterparts.

    “There is no reason to suppose that more expensive prices for drugs in Europe would translate into cheaper prices in the US.

    “USA healthcare prices are generally higher than in Europe and the absence of the sort of large-scale negotiation by the US government does not help.

    “This is more likely to be the cause of high drugs pricing, rather than one side of the Atlantic subsidising the other. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Thomson Reuters to transfer forex derivatives business to Dublin:

    https://amp.ft.com/content/5b04d32e-...-f6677d2e1ce8?
    However, Thomson Reuters will keep its spot trading market, which trades about $100bn a day, in London because this is outside the scope of Mifid II, Europe’s main markets rules. The technology for matching deals, and processing and settling them will also remain in London.

    It has no plans to move any employees from London or elsewhere to Dublin but was hiring new staff to meet local laws, it added.
    So they're slapping a badge on it that says Ireland while the real work continues in London? Fascinating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    No its totally irrelevant posturing. The Supreme Court has already ruled that Brexit is the preserve of Westminster and that the Scottish Parliament doesn't get a veto in the Gina Miller case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No its totally irrelevant posturing. The Supreme Court has already ruled that Brexit is the preserve of Westminster and that the Scottish Parliament doesn't get a veto in the Gina Miller case.
    You don't really understand that roflstomping a state into the ground is not exactly good for the long-term survival of the union? Of course you have the right to do so.

    Whether it's a good idea to piss off the Scots even more, that's a completely different issue. It's the difference between "You can do that" and "You should do that". If you're confused by the difference between those two words I'll happily explain your own language to you once more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    So they're slapping a badge on it that says Ireland while the real work continues in London? Fascinating.
    Afaict the profits from this part of the business will no longer be taxed in the UK and the decision is based on their expectation that the UK will lose passporting privileges. Other banks will likely arrive at the same conclusion.
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    What do you call a Brexit which doesn't even reach the level of BINO?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Pointless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    What do you call a Brexit which doesn't even reach the level of BINO?
    Par for the course.
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    Soft Brexit Fudge coming to a store near you but not any time soon?

    This whole Brexit thing is too bloody funny.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Soft Brexit Fudge coming to a store near you but not any time soon?

    This whole Brexit thing is too bloody funny.
    Hmm, who called that?
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    Never said it was easy but if there's one thing the EU knows how to do well it is fudge where necessary to keep the show on the road. That's why all the predictions of the Eurozone collapsing (something I've never predicted) never come true.

    Only the extremists on both sides don't want a deal. Mark my words one will be agreed.
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    Only problem is that your extremists are calling the shots.
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    Our extremists are neutered and back in their box.

    We have an extremist as PM but not in the way you mean.
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    Riight. Keep telling yourself that. In the meantime, we're still waiting for a realistic proposal for the Irish border issue and not those pie-in-the-sky-solutions you keep coming up with.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ia-brexit-deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Hmm, who called that?
    The EU isn't fudging. Ultimately the UK is attempting to solve its problems by fudging. But there is no room for fudging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Riight. Keep telling yourself that. In the meantime, we're still waiting for a realistic proposal for the Irish border issue and not those pie-in-the-sky-solutions you keep coming up with.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ia-brexit-deal
    Posturing.
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    By your government? Certainly.
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    We're not the ones saying there'll be no deal if we don't get the perfect deal, that's the Irish.
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    One defeat after another:

    https://www.ft.com/content/17fbad8c-...2-d6ceb45fa9d0

    Brexiters are slowly learning that reality wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    We're not the ones saying there'll be no deal if we don't get the perfect deal, that's the Irish.
    The Irish don't say anything about a "perfect" deal. They say something about upholding the previous agreement.

    You know, the one which put an end to those carbombs and all. You obviously are hungering for spilled blood once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    One defeat after another:

    https://www.ft.com/content/17fbad8c-...2-d6ceb45fa9d0

    Brexiters are slowly learning that reality wins.
    What defeat? That is exactly what I proposed as the logical solution:
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You seem hung up on time. That's what the transition is for. I'm not talking about the system we have up and running in nine months time, I'm talking about the eventual end-state. And I'm perfectly OK with extending the transition (or specifically a customs transition) as required so long as we eventually are out of the customs union.

    Besides as you have pointed out it will take time to negotiate new comprehensive trade deals outside of the EU parameters anyway which is the point of divergence where this system will be needed for. So time we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    The EU isn't fudging. Ultimately the UK is attempting to solve its problems by fudging. But there is no room for fudging.
    Exactly.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What defeat? That is exactly what I proposed as the logical solution:
    You will be willing to extend the transition? You do realize that the transition is something we'll be deciding on? That there will be no transition of any kind if there is no exit-agreement. Which also means that you will confirm legally binding first that there will be no hard border on the island of Ireland. Lacking such a hard guarantee, there will only be the cliff edge for you lot.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Thread with summaries of various aspects of new comprehensive report on future US-UK trade relationship:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersN...58402666778625

    Putting the lie to Brexiters' pre-referendum suggestions/promises.
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    No just repeating ad nauseum the same points that were made and rejected before the referendum.

    With the benefit of hindsight the lies were all on the Remain side. We haven't had the immediate recession, punishment budget, million more unemployed, stock market crash, car factories closing down, City relocating to Frankfurt, refugee camps in Dover and shops empty of food which you Remainers so loudly predicted.

    All we get now is whiny bleats that its a disaster without giving any details as to what this disaster is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No just repeating ad nauseum the same points that were made and rejected before the referendum.
    So nice of you to see what your government is doing currently.

    And, dude, we always told you that " immediate recession, punishment budget, million more unemployed, stock market crash, car factories closing down, City relocating to Frankfurt, refugee camps in Dover and shops empty of food" would happen after you crash out.

    Stop fucking lying, will you? Again, stop with the lies.
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    We are remainers now? Don't flatter yourself buddy, I'm counting down the days.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So nice of you to see what your government is doing currently.

    And, dude, we always told you that " immediate recession, punishment budget, million more unemployed, stock market crash, car factories closing down, City relocating to Frankfurt, refugee camps in Dover and shops empty of food" would happen after you crash out.

    Stop fucking lying, will you? Again, stop with the lies.
    Why are you lying?

    We were told it would happen after the vote, then that it was already happening because of the vote, then it wasn't happening yet only because Article 50 wasn't triggered yet. Then months and months of "but you haven't triggered Article 50" yet. Now its "was always going to be after exit". Lies, lies, lies. Do you think I'd forget all your prior posts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    So nice of you to see what your government is doing currently.

    And, dude, we always told you that " immediate recession, punishment budget, million more unemployed, stock market crash, car factories closing down, City relocating to Frankfurt, refugee camps in Dover and shops empty of food" would happen after you crash out.

    Stop fucking lying, will you? Again, stop with the lies.
    He hasn't read the thread and wasn't paying attention to the debate during the referendum. That's why every single defeat for the Brexiters is being recast as an expected victory.
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