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    My government under Remain-backing PM David Cameron and Remain-backing Home Secretary then PM Theresa May did indeed pledge to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands.

    Vote Leave did not. Its arguments were about controlling migration and treating people (whether born in Europe or other continents) equally. I approve of the latter far more than the former. Don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    My government under Remain-backing PM David Cameron and Remain-backing Home Secretary then PM Theresa May did indeed pledge to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands.

    Vote Leave did not. Its arguments were about controlling migration and treating people (whether born in Europe or other continents) equally. I approve of the latter far more than the former. Don't you?
    We're talking about the UK becoming "the Singapore of Europe" by significantly loosening immigration restrictions. Vote Leave did not campaign on any such promises and Tories have reiterated their commitment to reducing immigration to the tens of thousands since Cameron resigned, which is appropriate because that's what a majority of Little Englanders want. In conclusion, you didn't vote to loosen restrictions on immigration; you voted with people who demanded the opposite, and you voted for a govt. that agreed to oblige these xenophobes.
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    No you misunderstand either through ignorance or wilfully. The proposal is for the UK to be the "Singapore of Europe" by slashing or abolishing tariffs and dramatically reducing corporation tax rates. Become the clear friendliest place in Europe to do business. Migration has been a factor in Singapore's success but its also been a factor in ours with our massive net inwards migration that continues to this day. Incidentally Singapore itself in recent years has been tightening and not loosening migration controls too.

    Also Singapore has dramatically different welfare etc issues with migration than are permissible in the EU. Under EU rules people who migrate to the UK can take advantage of the UK's welfare system then send welfare cheques home. Cameron sought to get that changed in his renegotiation and failed. Under Singapore's rules people who migrate to Singapore do so to work and support themselves, they pay taxes and don't take benefits. Not only do I have no qualms with the latter nor do most Brits.
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    So, you're going to be the Singapore of Europe by being entirely different than Singapore.

    Oh, and about what Cameron tried to do was to burden all of the EU with a home spun problem in the UK. The UK could have solved the problem by sensible legislation at home. But your chickenshit PM rather lay the blame at the feet of the rest of the EU. That's why he didn't get anything.

    Now take your pathetic island and get the fuck out.
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    Away from the far-right ravings that Hazir and Aimless seem to swim in our new Home Secretary introduces a new liberalised visa scheme to make it easier to attract migrants: http://www.cityam.com/287463/home-se...-start-up-visa
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    Paywall.

    Is that introduced now? As in - whilst we're in the EU? Or is it going to be implemented thereafter?

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    It's not paywalled, you just need to disable AdBlock on that site (at least I did).

    Article says it will be introduced Spring 2019. So after we leave I guess but during the transition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    However, he was unable to obtain a certificate of sponsorship from his employer because the UK had already reached the cap on non-European Union workers.
    What a perversion that we have a cap on non-EU skilled workers to make up for the uncapped EU unskilled workers. The sooner this anomaly is consigned to the history books the better, I think Javid can do it especially if May goes.
    And it comes after Mr Javid pledged to take a “fresh look” at the cap on the number of foreign doctors after it emerged more than 1,500 visa applications from doctors with job offers in the UK were refused as a result of the cap on the number of tier 2 visas issued to workers from outside the European Economic Area.
    Good news
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What a perversion that we have a cap on non-EU skilled workers to make up for the uncapped EU unskilled workers.
    That's an idiocy entirely of your own doing. Don't blame the EU for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What a perversion that we have a cap on non-EU skilled workers to make up for the uncapped EU unskilled workers. The sooner this anomaly is consigned to the history books the better, I think Javid can do it especially if May goes.
    No-one forced you to cap skilled migration; you chose to do so yourselves, perhaps because Little Englanders became infatuated with the thought of cutting immigration by an order of magnitude. Most immigrants in the UK are not from EU countries--net migration from non-EU countries has dwarfed that from EU countries for the past few decades. Half of the ones from the EU have a guaranteed job, and a fifth are students--these ratios are reversed for non-EU migrants. 60% of migrants in low-skilled jobs come from non-EU countries. If you believe your long-standing immigration policies are perverse, you should remember that they are so because they reflect the fantasies and fears and wishes of the British public.

    Good news
    Given that the last decades' cockups were entirely unforced it's pretty naive to expect the HO to improve substantially, especially in the next few years when it'll be busy dealing with the fallout from Brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    That's an idiocy entirely of your own doing. Don't blame the EU for that.
    I didn't.
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    No-one forced you to cap skilled migration; you chose to do so yourselves, perhaps because Little Englanders became infatuated with the thought of cutting immigration by an order of magnitude. Most immigrants in the UK are not from EU countries--net migration from non-EU countries has dwarfed that from EU countries for the past few decades. Half of the ones from the EU have a guaranteed job, and a fifth are students--these ratios are reversed for non-EU migrants. 60% of migrants in low-skilled jobs come from non-EU countries. If you believe your long-standing immigration policies are perverse, you should remember that they are so because they reflect the fantasies and fears and wishes of the British public.
    I'd like to see a source for those figures. Given that 93% of the world's population is non-EU then we should expect non-EU migration to dwarf EU migration by a factor of roughly 13:1 if all else were equal, that's not remotely the case though. This attitude of yours though is precisely why the ratchet has been tightened on non-EU migration because EU migration can't be dealt with then people point to non-EU migration which is a moronic shame. Treat everybody equally and quit viewing people as "EU" or "non-EU" and instead view them as "skilled" vs "unskilled".
    Given that the last decades' cockups were entirely unforced it's pretty naive to expect the HO to improve substantially, especially in the next few years when it'll be busy dealing with the fallout from Brexit.
    Though as I've repeatedly posted post-Brexit Britain's attitudes to migration is improving significantly despite small-minded people like yourself refusing to acknowledge it. Liberal Britain out of the EU is better than closed-Britain inside it.
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    Boom! Seriously, Javid for PM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Boom! Seriously, Javid for PM!
    says the man whose vote has made the number of people in all three categories plummet.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    No I haven't the problem was that the numbers were so high they had reached the cap. My vote has helped redirect attention and get that fixed so they can increase further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No I haven't the problem was that the numbers were so high they had reached the cap. My vote has helped redirect attention and get that fixed so they can increase further.
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    I guess you missed the news, I understand it must be confusing to your small mind that Tories here could be liberalising our migration in the appropriate areas while your CSU/CDU are at a brink of war over tighening yours but maybe educate yourself on what's happening here before you spout off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    I guess you missed the news, I understand it must be confusing to your small mind that Tories here could be liberalising our migration in the appropriate areas while your CSU/CDU are at a brink of war over tighening yours but maybe educate yourself on what's happening here before you spout off.
    This is the thread about your idiocies, thankyouverymuch. You're welcome to open another thread if that CDU/CSU debacle matters to you that much.
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    But we're not being idiotic as much as you project your own problems onto us.

    Liberalising skilled migration especially for doctors is a good thing, shame you are so full of anger that you can't acknowledge a good thing when it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    But we're not being idiotic as much as you project your own problems onto us.

    Liberalising skilled migration especially for doctors is a good thing, shame you are so full of anger that you can't acknowledge a good thing when it happens.
    With the way you're systematically underfunding the NHS you'll be lucky to retain any of those immigrants (if(!) there is an actual meaningful upswing). It's one thing to hire people. It's another thing altogether to get them to stay.
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    Make your bloody mind up, is the problem we are turning people away or is the problem that people don't want to be here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Make your bloody mind up, is the problem we are turning people away or is the problem that people don't want to be here?
    Both?
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    Fun things for the day: Theresa conjures up the money to live up to Bojo's Bus lie, but not really. And the screamer of the day of course is that the minister of internal affairs has decided the UK can't afford 'British Passport' lines at immigration.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Taking a step back from all of this..isn't it amazing how much stuff was put in place since the UK had a referendum vote to stay in an agreement that had been entered-into without a vote in the first place? Stunning.

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    Does this even mean anything at all?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    RB - do you believe May is telling us the truth when she says there's a Brexit dividend to help pay for NHS funding?

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    Yes. Do I believe it's the full 350 million? No that was always a gross rather than net figure. But there was a very massive net figure still. That net figure hasn't vanished and it is a dividend from leaving that we keep our own money, unless it the negotiations May gives it back to Europe.
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    Who's lying?

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    May of course, everything she does wrt Brexit means the UK would have to pay massively into the EU budget if the EU accepts the proposals. Without a deal the UK would be spending massive amounts to deal with the no deal situation. That alone would wipe out any Brexit dividend. And that doesn’t take into account that The cliff edge would mean a mega shock to the UK economy.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogobongopop View Post
    RB - do you believe May is telling us the truth when she says there's a Brexit dividend to help pay for NHS funding?
    There is a Brexit dividend. It's negative. It's known as a "dividain't".
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