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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post

    I agree with you that a decision should have been made right at the start about what Brexit should have look like, but 'right at the start' should have meant before the referendum so people knew exactly what they were voting for.
    Absolutely this.
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    How's something CETA like gonna fly with the idea of not having a boarder with Ireland (either one) and the UK, thus screwing up the Good Friday Agreement?

    I agree with you that a decision should have been made right at the start about what Brexit should have look like, but 'right at the start' should have meant before the referendum so people knew exactly what they were voting for. As it is, Brexit turned into something basically any given type of right winger could project their political fantasies onto: it's turning the UK into a Singapore style centre of free trade and deregulation and will magic trade deals into existance, it's turning the clock back on globalism and cutting migration to the bone, it's going to free up tones of money for the Tories to pretend to spend on the NHS but really just tax cuts for rich people, it's going to be exactly like being in the EU and nothing will really change except the annoying parts, etc etc etc. Hence the mess and confusion, plus fuckers like Reece Mogg or Farage under the impression that because they won the referendum they have a mandate to impose their own personal vision of Brexit on the country.

    There should definately be another referendum on the deal, but there's almost no time for that because Article 50's already been triggered.
    It amazes me how May is being blamed for something she didn't actually have in her hands at all; it was the EU that drew a big fat red line by refusing negotiation before notification. The navel staring in the UK about a second referendum is also amazing; what makes you lot think you have the time for that?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Told you so.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Boris Johnson violates rule 12 when writing his resignation letter:

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...gnation-letter

    Oh RB, you really know how to pick 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    It amazes me how May is being blamed for something she didn't actually have in her hands at all; it was the EU that drew a big fat red line by refusing negotiation before notification.
    But there's no actual rush to do the negotiations until you trigger Article 50. They could have spent some time trying to agree on what Brexit was supposed to be first, then triggered it but it was the hardliners who were pressuring her to do it now now now, and she had a weak hand even before the election.
    If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    But there's no actual rush to do the negotiations until you trigger Article 50. They could have spent some time trying to agree on what Brexit was supposed to be first, then triggered it but it was the hardliners who were pressuring her to do it now now now, and she had a weak hand even before the election.
    And how do you think the UK would have moved from the Lancaster House Brexit to the softish Brexit of today without the constant shooting down of notions put forward in the actual negotiations?

    It's more likely than not that even if the time had been taken to get to some sort of internal agreement that you would have gone in with the Lancaster House Brexit anyway, with a humiliation of the British government so massive that it would have forced any PM to resign anyway.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Looks like UCL is trying to outtrump Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...discriminatory
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    Murdoch and Farage prime Trump to pile up the pressure on May. No UK-US trade deal with current plan.

    A country held hostage. Putin is laughing his sturdy tits off.

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    May is truly seeking the worst of all worlds. Out of the EU so lose the benefits but not out of the entanglements that get us the benefits of leaving. What is the freaking point?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    The point is to maintain as many of the benefits of a close relationship as possible. If you must shoot yourself, shoot yourself in the foot rather than in the gut.
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    If you want to remain with as many of the benefits of a close relationship as possible then the answer is to remain a member.

    A better analogy is driving down the road. You can drive on the left going one direction, or drive on the right going another direction - but if you drive down the middle straddling both directions then you're going to crash into the oncoming traffic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    That is not an accurate analogy for Brexit. You're absolutely right, the best possible decision would be to remain. But, failing that, it's better to be as closely integrated as it's possible for a non-member to be. You're having difficulties grasping this because you've fallen for the Brexiter myth that no deal is better than a "bad deal". Your representatives are beginning to realize that, while no deal might indeed be less humiliating and embarrassing than a bad deal, it is also much worse for the UK and for its citizens--if for no other reason than that you're simply not ready for such a scenario.
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    Oh, by the way, I just got an email from Barcley's. They're moving at least part of their operations into the EU.
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    The newest howler is that now that they have a plan for Brexit (one we won't accept by the way) they are afraid to talk about it with the EU. Because the crazies back home want to put forward a worse proposal.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Well past time to start preparing for no deal then.

    I'd love to see Varadkar's face if we just said we were walking away without a deal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    I can assure you you won't have any time for gloating. Given that you live in the country that will be hit hardest by a no-deal scenario and is least prepared for it.

    Because, and I know you can't get this into your head, no deal means no deal on anything.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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