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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That really does not reflect very well on you.
    Because I expect our side to be negotiating for our side and not neutering those who wish to speak up for the UK or present evidence of risks for the other side?

    Robbins is an arch-remainer doing his best to undermine Brexit into a Brexit In Name Only. Please provide any evidence to the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Because I expect our side to be negotiating for our side and not neutering those who wish to speak up for the UK or present evidence of risks for the other side?

    Robbins is an arch-remainer doing his best to undermine Brexit into a Brexit In Name Only. Please provide any evidence to the contrary.
    I'm sorry but I'm getting the feeling you didn't actually read the article.
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    I did and this is a disgrace:
    Brexiteers are furious that the preparations have been under way in earnest only since the Chequers deal earlier this month. Steve Baker, the Brexit minister who quit because he considered the Chequers deal a sellout to Brussels, had fought for months to get government departments to take the planning seriously. “As early as October last year Steve was trying to create a no-deal moment,” said one Brexiteer. “Steve threatened to resign in March because Downing Street kept banning people from saying anything about what we were doing and the Treasury wouldn’t pay for it.

    “There are three things here: drawing up plans for the work that needed to be done,” said a Brexit department source, “implementing the plans by hiring staff and putting the IT systems in place; and, thirdly, talking about the plans. We’ve done lots of the first, a little of the second and almost none of the third.”

    Baker’s other problem was that he could not persuade May or Oliver Robbins, her chief negotiator, to use the dangers to the EU of a no-deal Brexit as a lever with the Brussels negotiator, Michel Barnier. Last Christmas, Baker commissioned work on how much it would cost the other 27 countries in lost trade. “Robbins simply refused to raise it,” said one source. “It found that the cost to the EU in the event of no deal was far greater than the cost to the UK, but the cost to no single country was greater than to us.”

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    The risk of no deal has also created tensions between Robbins and politicians. He has already clashed with Jeremy Hunt, the new foreign secretary. Hunt planned to make a speech in Berlin last week, but Robbins demanded to see the text and objected to the tone of Hunt’s warnings to the EU that they should co-operate or face a crash-out. Hunt used his talking points at a press conference instead.
    Disgraceful behaviour. Hunt (a Remainer incidentally) shouldn't put up with it. Objecting to a demand for co-operation, seriously? Robbins will just eagerly sign whatever Barnier puts in front of him.
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    Let me help you with that tunnel vision.


    Don’t panic! We’ll deal with no deal

    Ministers’ plans to keep homes and industry running if Britain crashes out of the EU are patchy and sometimes alarming

    Tim Shipman, Mark Hookham

    July 29 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times



    Plans agreed at the Chequers cabinet summit to publish reports every week through the summer detailing what a “no-deal Brexit” would mean for Britain have been scrapped — after warnings that the public would panic and never vote Conservative again.

    Downing Street sources confirmed last night that a series of papers advising businesses, homeowners, farmers, hauliers and holidaymakers how to prepare are now likely to be published on the same day in late August, rather than dripped out over a period of six weeks.

    The change of plan highlights the seething rivalries and, at times, troubling details of Brexit preparation. The no-deal publication plan was originally designed to placate Brexiteers, who were keen to show Brussels the UK was ready to walk away. But this weekend they accused civil servants of plotting a new “Project Fear” campaign which threatened to turn MPs and voters against Brexit altogether.

    An investigation by The Sunday Times has found that government preparations for a no-deal scenario, in which the UK left the EU without a trade deal, are both patchy and, in some regards, hair-raising.

    [...]

    “There are three things here: drawing up plans for the work that needed to be done,” said a Brexit department source, “implementing the plans by hiring staff and putting the IT systems in place; and, thirdly, talking about the plans. We’ve done lots of the first, a little of the second and almost none of the third.”

    [...]

    As The Sunday Times revealed in June, the risk assessments of what might happen in the event of a no-deal Brexit are alarming, with shortages of fuel and medicines likely in remote areas and ministers discussing the stockpiling of food.

    The contingency planning also includes calling in the army to help communities suffering critical shortages.

    A minister said: “You would have to use all your services to provide essential supplies to people. The elderly and vulnerable would be in a difficult position. It will be the end of March but it might still be cold. You’ve got to think about the energy supply and keeping the lights on.”

    [...]

    In the NHS, bosses are planning to put the health service on a permanent winter-crisis footing. A senior source said: “We line up non-EU sources of drugs and stockpile drugs in preparation for a winter crisis, so we can use the same model to deal with no-deal Brexit.”

    There are also concerns about the shelf-life of medicines which cross borders. Leaving Euratom, the EU nuclear materials regulator, could create problems for the supply of cancer drugs. Sir Michael Rawlins, chairman of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, has warned that insulin for diabetics could be in short supply.

    Mike Thompson, chief executive of the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, said one company was having to revalidate their supply chain for ingredients for 15,000 medicines because the ingredients come from abroad. He added: “Half of the medicines approved across Europe last year require a specific temperature control right through the supply chain. They cannot be stuck at borders for too long. One medicine has only got a half-life of 11 days.”

    Some of the most noticeable consequences of no deal would come at the borders. Plans for emergency lorry parks on the M20 and M26 and the disused Manston airfield in Kent are “unworkable” and could lead to “public disorder”, it has been claimed.

    If customs checks are imposed, 10,000 lorries a day could be affected. The plan to use Manston has alarmed freight companies and port managers. One source said parking lorries at the airport was “nuts” and “just won’t work” since those released from Manston would have to snake their way to Dover along a 19-mile stretch of the A256, which has 12 roundabouts and in parts is a single carriageway. “If you start to move high volumes of freight down that route, it will be come snarled very, very quickly,” said the source. Between 400 and 500 lorries an hour need to arrive in Dover to fill the ferries and keep them to schedule. Just 80 an hour could get there from Manston.

    Lorries attempting to dodge the queues would be ordered to the back of the queue or to Manston, creating flashpoints. In 2015, some lorry drivers drove their vehicles at police officers in an attempt to force their way into the port.

    Meanwhile, questions are mounting over how the Border Force at Heathrow and other airports would cope. Passengers at Heathrow have been forced to wait on aircraft and held up for three hours to have their passports checked. A Border Force source said: “If we cannot cope with queues this summer, how will we cope in March 2019 and a crash-out?”

    The government has demanded that companies and industry groups involved in Brexit planning sign non-disclosure agreements in an attempt to prevent alarming details leaking out.

    That explains why the plan to publicise no-deal preparations throughout the summer has been canned. The original plan was scrapped after a meeting last week chaired by Philip Rycroft, the senior mandarin in the Brexit department. A source said: “People will shit themselves and think they want a new referendum or an election or think the Tory party shouldn’t govern again. MPs are saying: ‘If this is done badly, it could hurt us like sleaze did in the 1990s.’”

    The prospects of a no-deal departure are troubling civil servants, who expect to be blamed for failing to get the country ready. Staff working for Robbins plan to jump ship at the end of the year.

    [...]

    STOCKPILED DRUGS AND FOOD: PREPARING FOR THE WORST

    Small businesses
    Up to 250,000 small firms will be asked to start making customs declarations in a dry run for Brexit

    Armed forces
    On standby to assist in delivering fuel, food and medicines to far-flung communities

    Supermarkets
    Warning suppliers to begin stockpiling products to prevent shortages in big stores

    NHS Hospitals
    to go on a year-round winter crisis footing with stockpiled drugs and others sourced from outside the EU

    Farming
    A new IT system is in place to make payments to rural landowners once EU subsidies cease. Thousands more staff have been recruited. But there are fears about animal and food exports being disrupted

    Freight Vehicles
    bound for Channel ports and the tunnel will queue in lorry parks on the M20, M26 and at Manston airport in Kent. An estimated 10,000 lorries a day passing through the ports could require customs checks

    Channel ports
    There is no space at the port of Dover for extra lorry parking. It currently takes an average of two minutes to process each lorry. Increasing that figure by another two minutes would create a 17-mile queue

    Airports Passengers
    are already queuing for up to three hours at Heathrow to have passports checked. The Home Office is recruiting another 1,300 Border Force staff to cope
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    You want to help by removing the relevant parts to my objection. What dishonesty is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You want to help by removing the relevant parts to my objection. What dishonesty is that?
    No, I want to help you by showing you that most of the article is about other things--and more important things--than what you, with your tunnel-vision, chose to focus on.

    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://news.sky.com/story/13-mile-l...eveal-11454991

    13-mile lorry park may last 'many years' after Brexit, impact reports reveal

    Brexit impact reports from local councils, obtained by Sky News, reveal exasperation at government planning for March 2019.

    By Faisal Islam, political editor

    The government's "temporary solution" to potential traffic chaos on Kent's roads after Brexit will have to last "many years" as a permanent solution will not be in place until "2023 at the earliest", Sky News can reveal.

    According to internal Brexit impact reports from two Conservative-run local councils, the conversion of four lanes of the M20 motorway into a 13-mile (20km) long lorry park could be in place for a number of years after the UK's departure from the EU.

    The first preparations for the scheme, known as Operation Brock, have just begun, with hard shoulders about to be strengthened to sustain the weight of hundreds of parked articulated lorries.

    Such a scenario is anticipated should either the Channel Tunnel or cross-Channel ferry routes see new customs or regulatory checks after Brexit.

    In the internal Brexit impact report from Dover District Council, obtained by Sky News, some exasperation is expressed at the slow pace of central government preparedness.

    This includes the lack of long-planned permanent lorry parks as an alternative to Operation Stack, which led to widespread disruption in Kent after disruption in Calais in 2015.

    A "permanent solution will not be in place for many years... the 'temporary' traffic-management system Operation Brock will be in force for some time", writes the council in the report from last month.

    In a separate report, on the same subject, from Kent County Council, it is anticipated the planning application for a major permanent lorry park will not even be considered until next year "and will not be delivered until 2023 at the earliest".

    Kent County Council has told the government this "is not only frustrating but potentially damaging to the UK economy as well as disrupting the daily life of Kent residents and visitors".
    Operation Brock involves the four lanes of the southbound carriageway of a 13-mile stretch of the M20, between Maidstone and Ashford, being converted into a lorry park for 2,000 vehicles.

    The northbound carriageway will then have a contraflow system of two lanes each for ordinary traffic in both directions.

    The government has suggested the need for this disruption is not part of its Brexit plans, and the UK's departure from the EU was not mentioned in the written statement announcing the plan or the consultation document.

    This does not appear to be correct, however.

    Local businesses have been told it will take up to two weeks to activate the plan, unlike the few minutes Operation Stack requires following news of disruption in Calais.
    The only plausible use for such a system is in anticipation of a structural increase in customs and regulatory checks at the UK border following Brexit in March next year.
    Kent County Council also point out in its report that "Brock" stands for "Brexit Operations Across Kent".

    Local industry sources claim privately that the government did not want its plans for a potential "no deal" Brexit associated with the need to turn a large swathe of the main motorway link with the Continent into a lorry park.

    Both councils are concerned about whether it will be delivered on time. It needs to be delivered before any potential change to customs arrangements in March 2019.
    The Dover report states "there does not appear to be a plan B".

    Meanwhile, Kent County Council says it is "concerned" the plans "do not appear to be far enough advanced to be ready in time for the UK's exit from the EU" and the scheme, in any case, will still cause "massive disruption to both strategic and local traffic".

    This is the basis of some of the warnings from government in recent days about the risk to food supplies and the need to stockpile medicines, medical devices and blood plasma products.

    The Dover document is especially important because the council is the Port Health Authority responsible for food safety checks required post-Brexit at the Port of Dover and the Channel Tunnel.

    The report questions whether it is "fully understood" by central government that the Port Health Authority will not have powers "to physically stop vehicles"; that officials "in the large are blind as to what is entering the port"; the layout of the port means there is "nothing to stop vehicles leaving" Dover; there are "inadequate facilities to inspect and store food" and "no facilities to park vehicles waiting for examination".

    Such checks have not occurred since 1992 at these sites and there is a shortage of vets to provide them.

    The government hopes its Chequers plan for Brexit, including a common rulebook for goods and agri-food, will avoid the need to instigate new border checks.

    But they will be difficult to avoid in a no deal scenario, and the EU has vowed to enforce them; even if - as Sky News reported earlier this year- the government's secret plan is to waive almost all such checks on goods coming in to the UK.

    The Dover report expresses some uncertainty about even in which country such checks will be required.

    It says: "Current systems are based on juxtaposed controls being conducted in France and England... once outside the EU such [juxtaposed] controls may cease".

    "We cannot begin to surmise... the substantial workforce required to provide a service at the juxtaposed positions," it adds.

    The government was due to report in detail on its contingencies for a no deal Brexit in the following weeks.

    This has been delayed after some public concern over the prospect of Brexit stockpiling, according to government insiders.

    Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt will visit Paris and Vienna on Tuesday to warn "it is time for the EU to engage with our proposals, or we potentially face the prospect of a no-deal by accident, which would be very challenging for both the UK and EU".
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    You consider your selection more important with your tunnel vision, I do not. Your opinion does not make you right.

    Meanwhile in the real world the importance of the word "may" when issuing a threatening puff peace is once again emphasised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You consider your selection more important with your tunnel vision, I do not. Your opinion does not make you right.
    No, you picked out a tiny, insignificant detail from a long article, ignoring every other more substantial point. If we both have tunnel-vision, your tunnel is objectively far, far narrower.

    Meanwhile in the real world the importance of the word "may" when issuing a threatening puff peace is once again emphasised.
    In the real world, the impact assessments of the officials serving one of the places that will be the hardest hit by a no-deal Brexit crash-out is worth far more than your inane bluster.
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    If you consider how we are negotiating insignificant to our negotiations then I would like you to explain that logic.

    In the real world, impact assessments report risks with the caveat of "may", they're not what will definitely happen. The idea behind identifying risks is to deal with them and prepare for them, not to react like a deer in the headlights or run from ever making a decision that carries risks.

    That's before getting into the fact that four years of tailbacks is a price worth paying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    If Mueller had twice before exonerated Trump before then unilaterally finding him guilty and punishing him without following due process and without providing the evidence against him (a fundamental principle of our judicial system) then Giuliani would have had more to say than "collusion is not a crime".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If you consider how we are negotiating insignificant to our negotiations then I would like you to explain that logic.
    Compared to the rest of the information in that article--and, indeed, even in the part that you quoted--that one detail is insignificant. That detail has next to no real world significance, because even if it were different it wouldn't change anything about the dynamics of the negotiations or their expected outcomes. However, the govt's assessments of how bad a no deal scenario will be, and in which ways, is of tremendous real world significance to the thousands of businesses and millions of ordinary citizens and non-citizens who have to prepare for this eventuality. The govt. hiding those assessments is also of tremendous real world significance to those same actors, and esp. to those to who regard transparency as an important aspect of British democracy.

    In the real world, impact assessments report risks with the caveat of "may", they're not what will definitely happen. The idea behind identifying risks is to deal with them and prepare for them, not to react like a deer in the headlights or run from ever making a decision that carries risks.
    This is your govt's best assessment of what is likely to happen in the even of a no deal crash-out next year. It is irresponsible and foolish to dismiss this assessment out of hand, and disgraceful to try to hide it from the public.

    That's before getting into the fact that four years of tailbacks is a price worth paying.
    This is both irrational, uninformed and egocentric. It is irrational because you are saying a price is worth paying without any regard whatsoever for what that price actually is; it is uninformed because you, as usual, only look at the most trivial superficial detail--eg. the image of tailbacks to/from Dover--without giving any thought to the other problems that arise from the same causes and that also arise from the tailbacks themselves; it is egocentric because you only consider your perspective when you say that these problems are a price "worth paying"--that may be true for a random family-owned pub in Preston (debatable), but it isn't true for thousands of businesses, their owners and their tens of thousands of employees whose livelihoods depend on swift, frictionless trade across the border with the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    If Mueller had twice before exonerated Trump before then unilaterally finding him guilty and punishing him without following due process and without providing the evidence against him (a fundamental principle of our judicial system) then Giuliani would have had more to say than "collusion is not a crime".
    None of these claims are true or relevant, but it is interesting to see you attempting to argue that the laws and regulations governing the functioning of your Electoral Commission and your parliamentary committees are somehow contrary to the principles of justice.



    In other news (not really news), we continue to see that the more uninformed pro-Brexit commentary is, the more likely it is to get exposure from mainstream Conservatives who have increasingly begun to take pride in ignorance. Recently, David Collins wrote an article for the Spectator exemplifying this embarrassing trend. In it, he made a number of questionable (read: false) claims about WTO rules in order to assuage fears about trading on WTO terms in the event of a no-deal Brexit next year.

    Naturally, trade lawyers, people who have actually worked at the WTO and others who have been involved in international trade negotiations had much to say about his claims:

    https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/sta...80819464101888

    https://twitter.com/CoppetainPU/stat...84835803836416

    https://twitter.com/CoppetainPU/stat...03062618189826

    https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1025993436741165057

    https://twitter.com/GeorgePeretzQC/s...61581463146496

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...it-august-2017

    But in the increasingly Trumpian Torysphere in which The Spectator resides, this is of no consequence. What's important is to get the lies out as quickly as possible.
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    More accurate media coverage:

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    My god, this is so desperate:



    As usual, it is also wrong (just as it was when Fox made similar misleading claims pre-referendum).

    Summary:

    https://twitter.com/StevePeers/statu...14792728649734
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    I'm waiting for the millennium bug idiocy to be mentioned in relation to the no deal scenario.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    I've already used that analogy. People are idiots predicting doom and gloom Ll the time, now is not unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    I'm waiting for the millennium bug idiocy to be mentioned in relation to the no deal scenario.
    That was quite different--people were informed and had ample time to prepare. It was also a comparatively simple (if costly) problem to address for most affected organizations. Brexit is far, far more complex, far more costly, and presents not only technical but political and legal challenges as well. Y2K is not an informative analogy except to people who have difficulties seeing beyond the surface.
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    There is apparently no upper limit to the number of times Brexiters can repeat a lie in the hopes of putting dry-aged steak on the table:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgePer...11766090293248
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    Hey Randy, we know you like your passport blue, but what color do you want your ration book to be?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    I couldn't care less what colour my passport it. We went need a ration book.
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    You're going for a high tech solution? Like your border controls?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Define high tech. I order my groceries from Asda online who deliver them to my doorstep. That's going to still be the same in 12 months time.
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    Or you will be eating your words. Literally.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Or the dead will be walking looking for brains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Or the dead will be walking looking for brains.
    Well, that's a given considering that some of your living are already missing their brains.
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    Indeed they can be readily identified on Twitter as those putting #FBPE into their usernames.
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    Well written post by someone on another site I go to.

    "Project fear is doubling down (having lost). We will not be able to fly, we will not be able to drive on the continent, we will have no medicine, we will all starve, all our financial service industries will leave, we will have mass unemployment, we will have war in Northern Ireland, no scare story is too ridiculous. People look at this nonsense and think, nah, don't think so. At the very margins they may be wrong in their assessment but it is a perfectly rational conclusion."
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    You know, the ostrich has nothing on you. But instead of "head in sand" it's rather "head in arse".
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    Tic toc, tic toc.

    Not long now until we leave and we'll see who is right and who is wrong. You've set the bar so ridiculously low with your absurd armageddon talk that it's going to be so easy to clear. You've virtually left it that if we don't have the Plagues of Egypt that you'll be wrong.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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