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Otherwise your own nation's nationals don't need a visa you imbecile. We've got enough unskilled chavs of our own without importing more.

Will they harvest the fruit?

[RandBlade]

Will they harvest the fruit?

I don't see why not. Though we don't need free movement for fruit picking, seasonal visas for fruit picking existed pre-free movement.

[RandBlade]

You said "No more discrimination". Not my fault if you are incapable of qualifying things.

Also not my fault if you're incapable of understanding that you merely shifted discrimination. Plus, you now discriminate against people you previously didn't discriminate against. So, actually it's MORE.

Not less. But you'll be pathologically incapable of admitting that you're wrong on this.

It doesn't need qualifying. The context is quite clear if you aren't a braindead moron who's smashed his head into too many brick walls.

[Khendraja'aro]

It doesn't need qualifying. The context is quite clear if you aren't a braindead moron who's smashed his head into too many brick walls.

Well, the thing is, my dear, that you were dead wrong on the "no more discrimination" thingie so ... you now get more discrimination. Because you're now discriminating against people who previously weren't.

I expect that to completely go over your head once again.

[Khendraja'aro]

I don't see why not. Though we don't need free movement for fruit picking, seasonal visas for fruit picking existed pre-free movement.

Yeah, and that worked so well that your government implemented free movement before everyone else for precisely that reason. I'm also not quite sure how making it harder to get into your country will help there.

[Hazir]

Was there extensive research into the actual skills of these people versus the skills required for the jobs they were hired for?

[RandBlade]

Well, the thing is, my dear, that you were dead wrong on the "no more discrimination" thingie so ... you now get more discrimination. Because you're now discriminating against people who previously weren't.

I expect that to completely go over your head once again.

Treating them the same as all other prospective migrants isn't discrimination.

I expect that to completely go over your head once again.

[Aimless]

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No depth too low for Brexiters to sink to.

(re. Hunt's head-up-ass remarks recently, in the same vein as "suicide vest" and many others from Brexiters).

[RandBlade]

Impressive, measured and calm speech from Hunt today

Hunt was a Remainer FWIW.

[Aimless]

Impressive, measured and calm speech from Hunt today

Hunt was a Remainer FWIW.

The speech was gross, historically illiterate, and undermined goodwill. Hunt has rightly been excoriated by former senior officials and diplomats for demonstrating the same incompetence in his new role as he did when he cocked up his management of the NHS. Not surprising to see you go all Lewky over it though.

[RandBlade]

That will be the same mandarins who so kowtowed to Brussels they messed up our relationship so much we voted to Leave despite warnings of Armageddon? Those mandarins? Oh boo hoo. Maybe if they were so good at their job we wouldn't be exiting in the first place.

Hunt did an excellent job managing the NHS on a record but controlled budget.

Good to see he's taking the same attitude of standing up to vested interests and not just taking the easy way out.

[Aimless]

No you clueless git, not mandarins. Just decent and competent people who have spent their lives helping Britain cultivate good relationships with other nations—and their counterparts in former soviet nations that have joined the EU. It was particularly stupid in light of the Riga conference being held right now. Hunt is an idiot who alienated competent people in his past job, and it seems he's brought the same incompetence to his new job. It is striking just how MAGA you've become over the past two years. Brexit and trump really do seem to be birds of a feather.

[RandBlade]

Former 'senior officials' aren't mandarins? Interesting.

Not being a walkover does tend to alienate those who expect you to be one.

[Khendraja'aro]

Jesus Christ, can be you be more of a braindead idiot? The bloody moron compared the EU to the Soviet Union. Just because he's butthurt that we don't fall over in our eagerness to dismantle the bedrock of the EU.

You are the ones who are leaving. Which means that you don't get to dictate any of the terms if you still want partial access to our markets. It seems that this is rocket science. You are the minor party in this. A dust speck. A pebble. A nation of has-beens. Get that into your head.

[Flixy]

As far as I can tell the eu is also not sending tanks to pacify the UK nor executing dissidents, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Aimless]

As far as I can tell the eu is also not sending tanks to pacify the UK nor executing dissidents, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Really, he needn't have gone so far afield for his asinine historical analogies--he could've just drawn examples from the bloody history of the British Empire. He'd still have been wrong, but it would've done less damage to Britain's reputation.

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Former 'senior officials' aren't mandarins? Interesting.

You and I both know you chose the term for its negative connotations when the salient facts are that they are highly competent and internationally respected public servants & diplomats who have dedicated themselves to helping Britain by nurturing its friendly relations with other countries. That such people--who are ordinarily loath to express any harsh criticism of current ministers that might undermine the good name of the govt--would find it appropriate and even necessary to condemn the moron currently responsible for Britain's foreign relations is very telling. It is also telling that you, once again, find yourself incapable of recognizing shameful conduct, much like in your bizarre discussion about Irish Travelers. You're just a British variety of Trumper.

Not being a walkover does tend to alienate those who expect you to be one.

Being an incompetent asshole alienates people as well, and that's a more accurate description of Hunt's tenure.

[Hazir]

And then he's whining about being told the Brits aren't our friends.

[RandBlade]

Really, he needn't have gone so far afield for his asinine historical analogies--he could've just drawn examples from the bloody history of the British Empire. He'd still have been wrong, but it would've done less damage to Britain's reputation.

The British Empire is far too flattering a comparison. The Austro-Hungarian Empire seems more apt.

Though thank you for reminding us how evil and terrible Communism/Socialism is. It tends to get forgotten with all the furore normally aimed at fascists but yes Communism truly was evil whereas the EU is more just Byzantine and incompetent.

You and I both know you chose the term for its negative connotations when the salient facts are that they are highly competent and internationally respected public servants & diplomats who have dedicated themselves to helping Britain by nurturing its friendly relations with other countries. That such people--who are ordinarily loath to express any harsh criticism of current ministers that might undermine the good name of the govt--would find it appropriate and even necessary to condemn the moron currently responsible for Britain's foreign relations is very telling. It is also telling that you, once again, find yourself incapable of recognizing shameful conduct, much like in your bizarre discussion about Irish Travelers. You're just a British variety of Trumper.

Yes I did chose the word for its negative connotations and I also expanded on why. Raising points you've deigned to ignore.

[Aimless]

Yes I did chose the word for its negative connotations and I also expanded on why. Raising points you've deigned to ignore.

Because the points you tried to make were dumb, RB. They were very, very dumb. The premises were false and your conclusions were not logical.

[Hazir]

It almost seems like the Brits have given up on the whole exit process. There isn't really a way out of the corner they have painted themselves into.

[Aimless]

And then he's whining about being told the Brits aren't our friends.

We're seeing some pretty spectacularly florid expressions of the conservative victim complex. It's all quite transparent to international observers of course, and becoming increasingly obvious to the public, most of whom don't belong to the braindead xenophobic jingoistic fringe that power-hungry Tory leaders are desperately courting.

[Aimless]

It almost seems like the Brits have given up on the whole exit process. There isn't really a way out of the corner they have painted themselves into.

It's their final gambit, and it's ridiculous. They're simultaneously trying to make No Deal look good (for which they want credit) and bad (for which they're trying to blame the EU instead of their own ignorance). No. 1 priority is to try to shift blame in order for each individual minister to increase his own chances of becoming PM.

[RandBlade]

Because the points you tried to make were dumb, RB. They were very, very dumb. The premises were false and your conclusions were not logical.

Let's see. I said: That will be the same mandarins who so kowtowed to Brussels they messed up our relationship so much we voted to Leave despite warnings of Armageddon? Those mandarins? Oh boo hoo. Maybe if they were so good at their job we wouldn't be exiting in the first place.

Which premise is it that you disagree with? That we voted to Leave despite warning of Armageddon? Or that the mandarins so kowtowed to Brussels they messed up our relationship so much [we voted to Leave ....]?

If the mandarins had done such a great job we would have been remaining. The fact we're not shows they maybe should listen a little more and show a little more humility rather than trying to ingratiate themselves to "nurture friendly relations". What do we get from nurturing friendly relations? Blair gave away much of our rebate for a promise to review the CAP - which promptly came to naught. "Friendly relations" achieve nothing because as Hazir keeps insisting, we're not friends apparently.

Anyway Hunt never said the EU was the USSR. He contrasted the EU with the USSR suggesting the EU was set up to be the opposite of the USSR.

"At the moment you seem to think the way to keep the club together is to punish a member who leaves.

"Not just with economic disruption. But even by breaking up the United Kingdom with a border down the Irish Sea.


"What happened to the confidence and ideals of the European dream? The EU was set up to protect freedom. It was the Soviet Union that stopped people leaving.


"The lesson from history is clear: if you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won't diminish it will grow - and we won't be the only prisoner that will want to escape.


"If you reject the hand of friendship offered by our prime minister, you turn your back on the partnership that has given Europe more security, more freedom and more opportunities than ever in history."

Every word is reasonable including the hand of friendship. Your choice if you want a hand of friendship or a prison. Act accordingly. And realise a border in the Irish Sea is a non-starter.

[Hazir]

Here we go again; the EU is to blame because we didn't give them everything they wanted.The only difference is that nowadays they call it a punishment.

[Aimless]

Let's see. I said: That will be the same mandarins who so kowtowed to Brussels they messed up our relationship so much we voted to Leave despite warnings of Armageddon? Those mandarins? Oh boo hoo. Maybe if they were so good at their job we wouldn't be exiting in the first place.

Which premise is it that you disagree with? That we voted to Leave despite warning of Armageddon? Or that the mandarins so kowtowed to Brussels they messed up our relationship so much [we voted to Leave ....]?

If the mandarins had done such a great job we would have been remaining.

All of this is false. The UK has shaped a great deal of the EU's policies starting even before the drafting stage, and was regarded by many members as an important ally, until it turned into a caricature of a racist drunk grandpa. To describe this as "kowtowing" is just ignorant and only exposes your inner Trump. The assumption that you wouldn't leave if diplomats and other civil servants were good at their jobs is illogical--for example, no matter how great they are, your politicians and public may just be too dumb to save, even for the most skilled civil service (as we have seen ample evidence of w/ your repeated unforced errors in the negotiations, grounded in a boundless ignorance of not only the EU but the world in general). This inability to see more than one side of a calculation exposes your inner Lewkowski.

The fact we're not shows they maybe should listen a little more and show a little more humility rather than trying to ingratiate themselves to "nurture friendly relations".

I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at this aggrieved emo bullshit. I mean, it's tragically ignorant, but it's also just so ludicrous that it becomes funny.

What do we get from nurturing friendly relations? "Friendly relations" achieve nothing because as Hazir keeps insisting, we're not friends apparently.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it has been uttered by every single loser who's ever alienated their friends & family through their own dickish behaviour. Since the beginning of time. It's also kinda dumb in this context, because they did their work before the UK decided to throw its tantrum. The notion that "friendly relations achieve nothing" is false prima facie, but the main point is that the people calling out Hunt on his disgusting incompetence are skilled, experienced and dedicated professionals, including several who are ambassadors to the UK from former Soviet countries. Unlike the Tory halfwits you have a hardon for, they are not generally inclined to make ill-considered public statements that come straight out of the ass-end of their id.

Anyway Hunt never said the EU was the USSR. He contrasted the EU with the USSR suggesting the EU was set up to be the opposite of the USSR.

I cannot tell if you're mendacious or stupid, but Hunt's implication was very clear, and everyone was able to read between the lines. That you're trying this lame-ass Lewkowskian schtick when dozens of highly educated and very experienced diplomats from all over the world have accurately interpreted his statements says a great deal about you.

[RandBlade]

All of this is false. The UK has shaped a great deal of the EU's policies starting even before the drafting stage, and was regarded by many members as an important ally, until it turned into a caricature of a racist drunk grandpa. To describe this as "kowtowing" is just ignorant and only exposes your inner Trump. The assumption that you wouldn't leave if diplomats and other civil servants were good at their jobs is illogical--for example, no matter how great they are, your politicians and public may just be too dumb to save, even for the most skilled civil service (as we have seen ample evidence of w/ your repeated unforced errors in the negotiations, grounded in a boundless ignorance of not only the EU but the world in general). This inability to see more than one side of a calculation exposes your inner Lewkowski.

Actually I could see both sides, the merits to staying in and the merits to leaving. I was genuinely torn.

You OTOH are the Lewkowski here. To you leavers are merely "a caricature of a racist drunk grandpa", "too dumb to save" etc - you are demonstrating an "inability to see more than one side of a calculation". From day one you've never accepted or acknowledged anything on the side of leaving. You've always acted haughtily like the other side are ignorant, racist morons rather than simply having a difference of opinion, looking at a different side of a calculation.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it has been uttered by every single loser who's ever alienated their friends & family through their own dickish behaviour. Since the beginning of time. It's also kinda dumb in this context, because they did their work before the UK decided to throw its tantrum. The notion that "friendly relations achieve nothing" is false prima facie, but the main point is that the people calling out Hunt on his disgusting incompetence are skilled, experienced and dedicated professionals, including several who are ambassadors to the UK from former Soviet countries. Unlike the Tory halfwits you have a hardon for, they are not generally inclined to make ill-considered public statements that come straight out of the ass-end of their id.

Again demonstrating your inner Lewkowski. Deciding to exercise our right to leave a union we weren't happy with isn't a "tantrum" as much as you refuse to acknowledge anything.

I cannot tell if you're mendacious or stupid, but Hunt's implication was very clear, and everyone was able to read between the lines. That you're trying this lame-ass Lewkowskian schtick when dozens of highly educated and very experienced diplomats from all over the world have accurately interpreted his statements says a great deal about you.

Aw boo hoo. As was the European Council President's implication was very clear when he decided to mock a diabetic with Instagram photos of cakes. Mocking diabetics suddenly became classy and funny whereas suggesting that making it difficult to leave is wrong is the end of the world.

You only need to read Khen's posts here gleefully suggesting that the UK can't leave without surrendering part of our country or else we won't be able to fly, will have no medicines, no food and all sorts of end of the world bullshit to see that Hunt's comments were quite apt.

[Hazir]

Oh wow, he was making jokes about her disease. You are sinking lower every time you touch your keyboard Randy.

[RandBlade]

He mocked a diabetic with cake images on Instagram. That was pretty low I agree.

[Hazir]

Yeah, because that was that all was about; mocking a diabetic for looking at cakes. It never was about the cherry picking attitude. Also, read up a bit about an issue before you bring it up.

[Khendraja'aro]

You only need to read Khen's posts here gleefully suggesting that the UK can't leave without surrendering part of our country or else we won't be able to fly, will have no medicines, no food and all sorts of end of the world bullshit to see that Hunt's comments were quite apt.

Naw, that's only because we've become fed up with your bullshit. And because your leaders repeatedly demonstrate that they have no clue. We will not do anything to you. You will have shot yourself in both your feet with us repeatedly warning you that you will shoot yourself.

BoJo, for example, just suggested that he wants to delay Brexit for six months. That's the kind of thinking we've come to expect from you in general. You pretty much squandered all the remaining goodwill - what you don't seem to realize: Even before the referendum you were seen as bullies and egomaniacs. You didn't exactly work to improve that image, no, you doubled down on it. And now it comes home to roost.