OECD says "No revenues from payroll taxes": https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-finland.pdf
Not sure what definition you're using. If you mean income tax that is not what is meant by payroll tax.
OECD says "No revenues from payroll taxes": https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-finland.pdf
Not sure what definition you're using. If you mean income tax that is not what is meant by payroll tax.
Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer
And that is the single way you define "socialism"? Why doesn't that surprise me.
Maybe you should take a look at overall taxation. And what they do with the taxes. For example, did you know that it's a citizen's right in Finland to have a home?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
No that's not how I define socialism. I gave credit to a more socialist system for having lessons we could draw from. Credit where credit's due.
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"Liam Fox's plan" is never a reassuring way to start a sentence.
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
You said that "they stepped away from it". Don't try to weasel out again.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
It's almost as if we hadn't predicted that this would happen.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I'm looking forward to years of the pro-Brexit crowd blaming the effects on the poor implemention. I doubt they will ever acknowledge their responsibility for the unavoidable downsides and negligible benefits.
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
The leaders have made sure to secure their wealth by disentangling it from the UK's future. The WTO business isn't even anything extraordinary--it is how the WTO always does things.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
No, it will be the EU's fault because we didn't roll over and give them what they wanted.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
If you go by the OECD's narrow definition, the UK has no payroll taxes either, even though the OECD itself gives the UK's national insurance surcharge as an example:
https://www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-sta...ed-kingdom.pdf
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/taxati..._data-00262-en
So I guess the UK's system also has some major improvements on the UK's system.
Or perhaps the OECD simply accounts for payroll taxes in a manner different from other sources.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Well of course. We have a disastrous Remainer PM who has badly mishandled things and been advised consistently to do it differently by those who actually backed Brexit. To deliver something you need to believe in it, May should never have stood forwards since she clearly never believed in Brexit. It's not a damage limitation exercise like she's treating it, it's an opportunity but to achieve that you need to have some ambition rather than whatever May has.
Oops. Norway nixed the EEA-for-now plans.
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So Randy, what is your no deal Brexit plan? You stocking up on canned tomatoes already ?
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The plan is to smuggle food through Holland and from Ireland. Also the governments of BMW and Champagne are ready to sign FTAs with England the day after Brexit Day.
Interesting to see the discussion around Norway For Now, btw. Those proposing it genuinely seemed to have no idea of the difficulty of getting the other EEA parties to accept a doubly disruptive temporary arrangement with a country that has made our clear—repeatedly—that it can't be trusted.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Source?
I have no plan. Life will go on come what may.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-raab-suggests
Emphasis mine. What the fuck are these people smoking? We told them REPEATEDLY that a temporary backstop will NOT be accepted.The UK wants the EU to agree to drop the Northern Ireland-only backstop in favour of allowing the entire UK to remain in a country-wide “temporary customs arrangement” with the 27-country bloc if no free trade deal can be concluded by time the transition period ends in December 2020.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Sorry, we elected cretins. I feel bad that your governments have to deal with them.
There's a man goin' 'round, takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Any backstop should have an exit clause no longer than the two years of the Article 50 process.
Isn't it funny how the British currency now is merely an expression of how close a deal they hope to get with the EU?
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Should, would, could. You seen to forget all that matters is what the EU wants.
And no, we are not impressed by your threath to walk away with no deal. For the simple reason you could not deal with a no deal situation.
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You don't quite seem to comprehend why the backstop is to be included in the first place. Nothing new there.
Only when you've understood its purpose then you'll grasp why a time limit would make absolutely zero sense.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
There was a time limit on EU membership itself.
*shrug* A time-limited backstop solution to the Irish border issues isn't really a backstop
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The alternative is a hard border which is what you've said you don't want.
*shrug* No, that's an alternative, but it is also not a backstop solution. The point of a backstop solution for the Irish border is to guarantee a number of things in the event of a No Deal Brexit, such as the total absence of a hard border and no substantial increases in checks etc. A time-limited backstop is not a guarantee. A hard border doesn't deliver the guarantees being sought (and that were promised). One alternative that actually serves as a backstop solution for the Irish border is to turn NI into a special customs territory separate from the UK. This is obviously unpalatable to the UK--or, rather, to a contingent of unionists on NI--but the UK being unhappy with the consequences of its own decisions and hasty promises is hardly a new phenomenon.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Precisely its an attempt to have your cake and eat it too. If there's No Deal then there are no guarantees. Insisting any deal is tied to a deal on the border is reasonable, and if the UK [or the EU] in the future enacts an exit clause on the deal then that would obviously terminate any trade deal reached and not just the border deal.
Say, you really want bombs to explode in London again, don't you? THAT is what you're playing here.
Don't complain to us when your idiocy lets shrapnel fly at your face.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Randy, just because you can’t have your cake and eat it doesn’t mean we can’t have your cake.
And FYI to nationalists it matters who caused the closing of the border. And you can forget about them not putting the blame on you.
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No I don't, and I'll take no lessons from you about bombs. I've lived through the Troubles, my town was bombed, I was present in a scare. It's not a fucking football for you to try and score points with.
And to unionists it matters too. So no you can't eat their cake, nor should we give it to you on a platter however much you try to risk violence by aggravating the situation.
Wanna bet ? The second no deal starts to be the most likely outcome you'll get to see how that Brexit is going to be. And that's when your government is simply going to cave. You'll throw the DUP under the bus and you'll sit up and give paw like a nice little poodle.
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