No, what he actually meant was that UK based airlines would not be able to fly over the EU. Shanwick is managed by Ireland. That's why it's named that way. CAN'T YOU READ?Originally Posted by RandBlade
http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/def...ei-2018-01.pdf
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Listen you fucking stupid IDIOT. You were the fucking moron who trumpeted loudly and arrogantly about how your fucking RAF would force their way into our skies or how your ships would rule the waves. So don't give me that shit!
You want a war? No? Then don#t fucking bring your military into your fucking mess which you fucking created yourself in a fucking arrogant and pissant manner.
Get fucked back into your pub, you fucking knobhead.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
You may as well stop. He is simply too stupid. His reply to my question already shows it. And then you expect him to understand something more complicated like how airlines will simply not fly because of lacking paperwork.
It's a good example though of what kind of simpleton voted for brexit.
Congratulations America
This is a complex issue. Brexiters think that, because the routes from the UK to North America go through British airspace before entering eg. American or Canadian airspace, that means they're in the clear. In reality, access to their airspace and to their airports is currently regulated by those countries' agreements with the EU. Even if the UK were able to revert to its old agreements, those agreements are so outdated that they'd have to be renegotiated more or less from scratch. This stuff is difficult for Brits to understand because of the entitled exceptionalism that forms the core of their culture.
The focus on North America is kinda dumb anyway because travel to continental Europe accounts for a much larger share of air travel from the UK.
Re. Quatar, it's been suggested that airlines and pilots based in other third countries will not be prevented from flying, but I don't think the question is settled by any means.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Really you ignoramus, it's named Shanwick because of Ireland alone? Where pray tell does the -wick part of the name come from? It's not by happenstance named after Prestwick, Ayrshire in Scotland is it? CAN'T YOU READ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanwick_Oceanic_Control
Prior to 1966, the United Kingdom and Ireland both provided ATC and communications services in the same area of the North Atlantic. The air/ground communication station at Ballygirreen, near Shannon, worked to the ATC centre at Shannon and the communication station at Birdlip, Gloucestershire worked to the ATC centre at Prestwick, Ayrshire, Scotland. This caused duplication of work and an agreement was reached between the UK and Irish governments where Prestwick and Ballygirreen would work as one unit. Prestwick assumed the ATC (air traffic control) function and Ballygirreen assumed responsibility for communications. Hence the name Shanwick originated, SHANnon and PrestWICK being the original ATC providers.
Responsibility for the provision of air traffic services within international airspace is delegated to United Nations member states by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO). ICAO divides such airspace into flight information regions, parts of which may be deemed controlled airspace and, where appropriate, classified as an Oceanic Control Area (OCA).
The flight control (procedural ATC) aspect within the Shanwick OCA is the responsibility of the United Kingdom and is provided by National Air Traffic Services (NATS) from the Prestwick Centre and the voice communication aspect is shared between the CDOs (clearance delivery officers) based at Prestwick Centre and the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) from Shannon Aeradio, based in Ballygirreen Radio Station. Shanwick Control further delegate oceanic control of traffic in the NOTA (Northern Oceanic Transition Area) and the SOTA (Shannon Oceanic Transition Area) to Shannon Control, and traffic in the Brest Oceanic Transition Area (BOTA) to Brest Control.
Something's clearly got you rattled with you being so angry, incoherent and babbling.
Trying to shut down the skies and put us under blockade would be an act of war so if you don't want war then maybe you and the stupid Taioseach should think first on who actually has the military here. I don't want war but then I'm not proposing it.
So, being sovereign over your own skies is an act of war in Brexitania these days. Good to know that.
I had a look at the dutch translation of the White Paper, after reading how silly the version in 'Deutsche' was. You must be satisfied with your government used Google translate for that rather than actual translators. I had a good laugh at the version intended for the Dutch reader.
Congratulations America
Article 50 must be revoked.
We're leaving the EU based on advisory referendum where the winning side broke electoral law and were backed by the Russian/Trump/Bannon/Farage/Banks/Cambridge Analytica propaganda machine.
None of this is legitimate. We cannot tolerate this.
A big "fuck you, sir" to anyone who thinks that shit doesn't matter. Because it bloody well does.
The public has been surprisingly complacent in the face of recent findings about illegal actions by Vote Leave. But revoking art 50 isn't going to happen without a new referendum.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Because the Remain side did the same thing and spent vastly more only along with the full backing of the machinery of government and the establishment. And still lost.
While I can understand how rule of law might be regarded as an outmoded concept in the country of Tommy Robinson, illegal acts don't magically become okay just because you imagine someone else did something equivalent.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
You still don't understand a fucking thing. It's not a blockade you moron. It's a "You're lacking the agreement which allows you to fly over our country." A blockade is when you are legally allowed to go somewhere and someone stops you from doing so. In this case, however, you LOSE your rights to enter Ireland's airspace.
It's fucking precious that YOU of all people don't understand the "take back control" here. Seriously: Without such an agreement YOU guys are the ILLEGALS entering a sovereign country's airspace. Just the thing YOU fuckheads are going on and on about: People entering your country uninvited.
But no, suddenly, when it's you who are shut out, suddenly you cry big crocodile tears and want to use force. And you don't even realize how asinine that is.
Plus: Your own link states that control over the Shanwick FIR only comes under an agreement. And it is managed only. Not controlled. Two very different things.
Now, how long do you think that agreement will last if you fuckers keep that shit up?
And, by the way, your own fucking pilots (who probably know a bit more about the issue than a two-bit pub owner) say that this would be a disaster:
https://www.balpa.org/Media-Centre/P...spell-disaster
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
That's the kind of Kindergarten level argument I'm expecting from his ilk: "But he did it, too!"
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Here's another explainer for him:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-explained
That thing you need? It's called the "First freedom". And you'll lose that one immediately after Hard Brexit. No flying over Iceland, let alone landing there, or in Canada or the US (those would need the third and fourth freedom).
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
So?
If cheating, on either side, has been proven the referendum should be made void. Especially one that was advisory and was so close.
Else what is the point of electoral law?
How can you excuse this?
Another good bit:
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...es-hard-brexit
The industry, however, loathes multiple regulatory regimes that add complexity and doubts the UK will be able to take over EASA’s tasks. “The expertise that existed within the CAA has long since gone, and much of it is used at European level,” said International Airlines Group CEO Willie Walsh. According to ADS, it would take five to 10 years for the country’s civil aviation authority to rebuild the necessary certification capability to take over from EASA.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
It's the same as with Trumpsters: His side didn't lose so they don't care.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Twitter Link
It begins.
Bring down democracy. Tear down multilateral functions like the EU, NATO, WTO etc.
Let the new super elite reign supreme.
/tinfoil hat.
The EU now officially warns of a Hard Brexit as officials no longer deem it unlikely to happen.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/publicatio...-march-2019_en
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Simple, he can't admit that he's a simpleton who let himself be duped by the lies of a pathological liar and his dimwit friends.
Congratulations America
In the country of a convicted criminal being behind bars the rule of law is outmoded? Despite what you may believe Tommy Robinson 100% deserves to be behind bars as he is for breaking the law.
The referendum being void is moot as we are leaving due to an Act of Parliament not the referendum. As determined by R Miller v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union.
Isn't that ironic? If Remoaners hadn't tried in vain to frustrate Article 50 being issued it might be possible to go to the courts now but now they can't.
Indeed. Bring it on if you guys won't negotiate in good faith. We have compromised enough from our initial position without any corresponding movement. Enough is enough.
So, you have a membership to an exclusive club with some firm rules but a lot of benefits. You then want to cancel your membership but still want to partake of the benefits.
You only request that the club makes some special rules only for you.
Not gonna happen. We have told you right from the start what positions will be negotiatable and which won't. You don't seem to understand that you, as the leaving party, don't have any say over which of our positions are non-negotiatable.
You will be a future competitor. Do you really think that you will get something better than even the member states get? Seriously?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
The EU already has a plethora of agreements so it's certainly possible to negotiate a new one. As for better what may be better for us may be viewed as worse by you and we can both be happy.
After all if the bits of the EU we drop are so great then we should be punished already by having dropped them. It's not as if anyone is proposing keeping EU benefits unchanged but dropping payments.
"Firm rules"
"No cherry picking"
The four freedoms are a very firm rule. Just ask Norway or Switzerland. Now bugger off, you're thicker than a bag of hammers.
We also don't care about what makes you happy. You still seem to labour under the delusion that we're on equal footing. You want something from us. We gave you plenty of options on how to achieve that. Not our problem if you're incapable of agreeing to any of those.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
That didn't answer my question. Any anyway your answer here is silly because Article 50 can still be revoked.
So, I ask again, how can you excuse this?
Is it because electoral law doesn't matter?
Is it because leave won?
Is it because you don't care?
Is it because you think the referendum had no impact on parliament's decision to invoke Article 50?
I'm genuinely interested. Dig deep. Ponder. Cogitate. Why doesn't it matter to you?
It's because I think it's a piddly discrepancy that made no difference to the result that was done by both sides and most egregiously by the side that lost.
If I thought that it had changed the result I would be more bothered.
Vote Leave overspent by 10%. All of that overspend went to Aggregate IQ. Aggregate IQ and Cambridge Analytica are one of the same thing, and if you don't think that extra funding helped influence a huge proportion of people by tapping into their ignorance, their fears and reinforcing the decades of lies told about the EU by portions of the British press then, well, you're wrong.
There is more evidence to show that it did matter than that showing it didn't.
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