Its been 2 years since we "jumped". If you can find a man still in the air 2 years after jumping then it would be impressive.
Are you authistic ?
Congratulations America
It's an allegory, Rand. That means: "Not to be taken literally" (because I'm pretty sure that you don't know what an allegory is).
With that kind of skills at recognizing the meaning behind words or a sentence, it's no wonder that you're that inept at comprehending the problems ahead of you.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
It's more facetious than an allegory.
People are clever enough to realise when there's a wall ahead and take action accordingly which is why despite two years passing so far we're not suffering. Hence why a recession was supposed to be immediate following the shock of a leave vote, but wrong then and you're wrong now.
This Brexit thing is going to destroy the Tory party. I think it's done.
This is a stupid notion given that businesses expected negotiations to go smoothly (in no small part due to over-promising and obfuscation by govt) and expected at worst the softest of soft Brexits. It is very difficult to adjust to Brexit when there is so much uncertainty about how things are going to look after Brexit esp. wrt legal & regulatory matters, provided their business is such that they can completely compensate for Brexit at all. It is also difficult for large businesses to make major changes rapidly (ref. back to discussion about Brexiters reporting on positive post-ref business decisions as if they indicated optimism about Brexit even though the decisions were made a year prior to the referendum).
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
The Tory party will last longer than the EU will. It's survived
Your second argument counteracts your first. Yes rapid changes are hard to make so changes would be in motion already we were warned. Its not happened.
Khen is absurd arguing as if all changes will occur on exit day itself when we hit the wall/floor depending upon his failed allegory of the day. Businesses if they were expecting disaster would act before that precisely because its hard to avoid it when its too late.
No, the fact that changes take time should lead us to expect a lag esp for companies that expect a very soft Brexit or if there is significant uncertainty about exactly how the future will look. Different scenarios require very different preparations and changes. Even where there may be a desire to make a major change, eg. moving to another country, it may be very difficult for logistical reasons eg. if you have a complex and sensitive supply chain.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
Yes, Rand, there are a LOT of changes come Hard Brexit day. The borders will close, your airlines will have to stay on the ground, your banks will lose passporting from one day to the next. And that's not a complete list.
Currently your businesses are hoping that this will still be avoided. If, no when it turns out that you're unwilling, no, too inept to prevent this from happening then you'll really feel the pain.
I'll remind you of this next March. There's a reason why your airlines, for example, currently remind everyone who books a flight sometime beyond next March that they may be unable to honor the contract.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
So much for the "max-fac solution": My comparison to TollCollect was, if anything, way too optimistic.
That thing would amount to up to 20 billion GBP per year. In short: The red bus with its 350 million GBP per week was right. It only lacked the minus sign.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-uk-business
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Here's the perspective from someone who knows how things will work out:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...ess-by-brexit/
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
You realize that this number comes directly from the government? Pray tell, do you know the basis upon which this number is calculated?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Ah every number from the government is the infallible gospel truth is it? http://theworldforgotten.com/showthread.php?t=6900
Yes I do and its garbage. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44238226
It was done "back of the envelope" as the BBC put it by estimating a cost per transaction, counting how many transactions there are then multiplying the two then inflating it by a further 60%
Its a ridiculous cake and eat it notion that people would be put off from doing transactions as it would cost £50 per transaction, but it will cost us as those transactions will still be happening.
You do realize that this is a realistic number for what this transaction would cost? I linked an interview with someone in the logistics business who actually has to do that (namely, if he wants to import into Switzerland) and he quoted a current cost of 65 GBP...
... but sure, dismiss the estimate out of hand. It's only done by someone who does this for a living. By the way, the iterviewee I linked? He said in no uncertain terms that he'd go out of business instantly when the border goes up. Maybe you should listen to the guy.
And, for fuck's sake, your own link from the BBC doesn't disagree with me in any way. In fact, it actually tells us why you are wrong to dismiss the number...
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Fun times ahead:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...exit-02mld2jg2A source said: “In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one. The supermarkets in Cornwall and Scotland will run out of food within a couple of days, and hospitals will run out of medicines within two weeks.”
Rand, please remember, this is your own government doing the contingency planning.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
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"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
A load of obvious bullshit produced and leaked by Chicken Licken civil servants with an agenda that is contradicted by their own department.
And you keep saying things like "this is your own government" as if that's supposed to impress me. I don't hold my government on a pedestal or view everything any civil servant ever produces as the gospel truth brought to us on stone tablets.
That would be a good point if it weren't for... unicorns.
"One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."
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How long before Mogg, Johnson, Davies and IDS claim something similar?
I think he means the Government backed Leave campaign i.e. Vote Leave.
Farage was Leave.EU, if I remember.
Not that I ever heard anyone from Vote Leave ever calling Farage and his bullshit out.
Have you any examples? I'm not suggesting you're wrong but I just don't remember any. My perception (rightly or wrongly) is that our Leaver-MPs a.) should have done a darn heck of a lot more to distance themselves from Leave.EU and Farage's bullshit, and b.) were just riding along on his coat tails, quietly happy that he was winning a large proportion of the vote for them. Despite his bullshit.