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  1. #2671
    Yeah but you guys have gone back on the promise. The promise was to try first and foremost to try and find either a trade or technical solution and if that wasn't viable as a backstop the UK would stay aligned.

    Then Barnier realised what he agreed and rowed back on it saying the backstop must be NI only and not the UK. Nope it was explicitly the whole UK.

    So if you want to go chasing unicorns because you don't agree with any of the three agreed options then oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Yeah but you guys have gone back on the promise. The promise was to try first and foremost to try and find either a trade or technical solution and if that wasn't viable as a backstop the UK would stay aligned.

    Then Barnier realised what he agreed and rowed back on it saying the backstop must be NI only and not the UK. Nope it was explicitly the whole UK.

    So if you want to go chasing unicorns because you don't agree with any of the three agreed options then oh well.
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    Infinitely better thought through proposal than Chequers: https://iea.org.uk/iea-report-plan-a...post-brexit-uk
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    Haha, and if the Eiffel tower were real small you could fit it in a milk bottle.
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    You think Chequers is better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Infinitely better thought through proposal than Chequers: https://iea.org.uk/iea-report-plan-a...post-brexit-uk
    Oh great, the mythical "technical solution" again. The people proposing this usually haven't got the faintest of clues how this would actually work.

    As a result, any attempt at such a solution would be a dysfunctional Rube-Goldberg-machine of epical proportions with cost overruns in the billions and a decade too late.
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    It's not mythical, technical solutions underpin virtually everything in the 21st century.

    It doesn't even have to be that complex. Self-assessment for businesses, with random (away from the border) checks and fines or imprisonment for fraud. Problem solved.

    It's an infinitely better solution than your unicorn you are suggesting of finding a solution that doesn't compromise the EU's or the UK's integrity. Since violating the integrity of the EU and the UK are non-starters that only leaves a technical solution as the only viable alternative. Unless you can describe your unicorn alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    It doesn't even have to be that complex.
    Oh you poor deluded fool.

    In other news, remember how Rand was going on about his precious planes having no problems? Yeah, seems that at least one person in the UK's government finally managed to find his own ass regarding this issue:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit
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    It is uncanny how often Randblade manages to be wrong. I think the last time he was remotely on the money was when he said UKIP was toast just before the last election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    It's not mythical, technical solutions underpin virtually everything in the 21st century.

    It doesn't even have to be that complex. Self-assessment for businesses, with random (away from the border) checks and fines or imprisonment for fraud. Problem solved.

    It's an infinitely better solution than your unicorn you are suggesting of finding a solution that doesn't compromise the EU's or the UK's integrity. Since violating the integrity of the EU and the UK are non-starters that only leaves a technical solution as the only viable alternative. Unless you can describe your unicorn alternative.
    And we would trust you with our money as you leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ. We can’t already trust you as things are.
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    He is never going to admit being wrong concerning how brexit came about or is being handled. Everything short of madmax will, in his mind, show that things weren't nearly as bad as they could have been everyone else was wrong the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    Oh you poor deluded fool.

    In other news, remember how Rand was going on about his precious planes having no problems? Yeah, seems that at least one person in the UK's government finally managed to find his own ass regarding this issue:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit
    Well indeed.

    The government says it would unilaterally grant EU airlines permission to land at British airports and hopes that member states would reciprocate. “It would not be in the interest of any EU country or the UK to restrict the choice of destinations that could be served, though if such permissions are not granted, there could be disruption to some flights.”

    So basically the government is saying this is a rather simple problem to fix and that as far as we are concerned we are going to be mature, sensible adults about it. Hopefully you guys will be too, but that's out of our control.
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    It is uncanny how often Randblade manages to be wrong. I think the last time he was remotely on the money was when he said UKIP was toast just before the last election.
    I've not been wrong about anything yet.
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    And we would trust you with our money as you leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ. We can’t already trust you as things are.
    You're still lashing out like a lover scorned, if you were genuinely keen to see the back of us like you pretend you'd be trying to facilitate a clean Brexit all the sooner to be rid of us.
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    He is never going to admit being wrong concerning how brexit came about or is being handled. Everything short of madmax will, in his mind, show that things weren't nearly as bad as they could have been everyone else was wrong the whole time.
    Well that's because idiots like Khen are setting Mad Max as the baseline for Brexit. There'll be no planes, food or medicines and the living will envy the dead is about the thrust of his lunatic ranting and raving. "Brexit is going to slightly inconvenience you and make you slightly worse off so wasn't a good idea" doesn't make good copy so instead it becomes "OMG THE PLANES WON'T FLY" bullshit.
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    Remember how planes did not fly after 9/11 Randy? I do, because I got stuck. Do you believe those planes did not fly because they actually could not fly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
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    The reality of course is that discrimination is going to grow exponentially.
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    Basing it solely on skill without context or consideration sounds like one of lewks wet dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    So, you'll take everyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Basing it solely on skill without context or consideration sounds like one of lewks wet dreams.
    Who said "solely on skill without context or consideration"?

    The idea of a points based system as many nations have (liberal Canada and Australia) is that skills are considered important but are not the be all and end all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Who said "solely on skill without context or consideration"?

    The idea of a points based system as many nations have (liberal Canada and Australia) is that skills are considered important but are not the be all and end all.
    You realize that a points based system actually is still discriminatory?
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    How?

    If you mean its discriminating against the unskilled rather than nationality I have no qualms with merit-based discrimination. Nor is it linguistically what is meant by discrimination in this context: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
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    How exactly was that "unjust"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    How?

    If you mean its discriminating against the unskilled rather than nationality I have no qualms with merit-based discrimination. Nor is it linguistically what is meant by discrimination in this context: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
    OH, it's not racist because it only targets Eastern Europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khendraja'aro View Post
    How exactly was that "unjust"?
    Because its discriminating against people based on their nationality and effectively where they were born rather than their individual skills or merits. I don't believe it is just to turn away skilled applicants in order to make room for bottomless unskilled migrants.

    We had a 21k cap on skilled migrants while over 100k Romanians arrived within a year, many unskilled who wouldn't have been able to get in under skilled migration requirements without free movement. Why should we turn away tens or hundreds of thousands of skilled migrants in order to instead prioritise people just because of what continent they were born in?
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    So, do you apply this skill-cap unto British nationals as well?

    And where to do you deport the British nationals that don't achieve a high enough skill?
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  25. #2695
    If there's a British national who renounces their nationality and subsequently applies for a visa then yes.

    Otherwise your own nation's nationals don't need a visa you imbecile. We've got enough unskilled chavs of our own without importing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Otherwise your own nation's nationals don't need a visa you imbecile.
    That's discrimination based on nationality, though. Congratulations on being consistent. /s

    Also, I remind you that your own words were: "Discrimination to end."

    What you obviously meant to say was: "One group of people not previously discriminated against now under discrimination."
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  27. #2697
    No it isn't.

    We are discussing which foreign nationals to allow to migrate into the country. A British national (or indeed a foreign national already legally resident here) isn't looking to get permission to migrate here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    No it isn't.

    We are discussing which foreign nationals to allow to migrate into the country. A British national (or indeed a foreign national already legally resident here) isn't looking to get permission to migrate here.
    So, he's not discriminated against. Anyone else is. Not that hard to understand now, isn't it?
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  29. #2699
    What are you smoking?

    There isn't a nation on Earth that I can think of that asks for its own nationals to get a visa (not even Trump's America) and there isn't one that allows everyone in without one. Immigration isn't about your own nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What are you smoking?

    There isn't a nation on Earth that I can think of that asks for its own nationals to get a visa (not even Trump's America) and there isn't one that allows everyone in without one. Immigration isn't about your own nationals.
    You said "No more discrimination". Not my fault if you are incapable of qualifying things.

    Also not my fault if you're incapable of understanding that you merely shifted discrimination. Plus, you now discriminate against people you previously didn't discriminate against. So, actually it's MORE.

    Not less. But you'll be pathologically incapable of admitting that you're wrong on this.
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