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    Default French election

    Who'll win the first round?

    Who'll win the presidency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Who'll win the first round?

    Who'll win the presidency?
    Seems like Randblade can hope a little longer for a fascist president in France, but to me the answer is Macron to both of your questions.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    For all the whining about polls, they were spot on in this case. No reason to think they'll be wrong in the second round (where Macron wields a 30% advantage).
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    Interesting how little attention was given to the fact that his wife is 24 years his senior.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Presumably because he didn't pay her $800k to do nothing. Also, France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Seems like Randblade can hope a little longer for a fascist president in France, but to me the answer is Macron to both of your questions.
    What policy positions has she staked out that make her a fascist?

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    That would be her mix of xenophobic and dirigiste policies. Fascism is not a particular policy but a specific mix of policies.

    Mind you, I am not one to use the label fascist easily.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Let the apologetics begin.
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    #imwithher #feminism
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    Also, LOL at the current Graunian result, Hamon + Melenchon combined would've been 25+ points. Can we get a sad trombone in here
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
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    Breitbart says she's cool. That means she can't be a fascist.

    Most of the disenchanted center-left went for Macron.
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    The trump subreddits are full of ignorant bandwagoners who support le pen solely to show they aren't sexist. Some of their top threads start and stop with that sigle claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    The trump subreddits are full of ignorant bandwagoners who support le pen solely to show they aren't sexist. Some of their top threads start and stop with that sigle claim.
    Tends to be more along the lines that she sees the threat of Islamic Terrorism more clearly than the other candidates. Honestly I don't know enough about French politics to really say if she's any good or not.

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    The promise to repress a minority seems like a great reason to support a political candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Tends to be more along the lines that she sees the threat of Islamic Terrorism more clearly than the other candidates. Honestly I don't know enough about French politics to really say if she's any good or not.
    There's nothing clear about her or their vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Tends to be more along the lines that she sees the threat of Islamic Terrorism more clearly than the other candidates. Honestly I don't know enough about French politics to really say if she's any good or not.
    Really? Her reaction to a terrorist act executed by a French born man was that France should close its borders. How would closed borders have stopped him from driving from suburban Paris to the Champs-Elyssees?
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Who'll win the first round?

    Who'll win the presidency?
    Macron and Macron thankfully.
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    Yes, thankfully.
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    Surprise surprise, M. Le Pen suddenly never advocated leaving the euro.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Hasn't she always been circumspect about that trying to appeal to both sides. Wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. But that's the least of what's wrong with the fascist.
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    Seems like Randy 's fascist wet dream is well and truly over.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Relieved, but they're making steady progress every election. Their counterparts in Scandinavia and in Eastern Europe are likely to see greater electoral success. Granted that wouldn't be as harmful to the EU as if France had succumbed but their increasing strength will make the EU more ineffective for every year and may provoke counter-productive responses from Brussels.

    Nevertheless, woohoo
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    She underperformed her polls by about 10%, as have far right parties in a bunch of recent European elections. Too much of a stretch to call it a backlash against Trump.
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    She was polling at 38%. She currently has 38.7%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Relieved, but they're making steady progress every election. Their counterparts in Scandinavia and in Eastern Europe are likely to see greater electoral success. Granted that wouldn't be as harmful to the EU as if France had succumbed but their increasing strength will make the EU more ineffective for every year and may provoke counter-productive responses from Brussels.

    Nevertheless, woohoo
    Let's not forget she underperformed with a relatively low turnout. To me it rather seems that at least she and her party are finished for the time being. If Macron does a halfway decent job we may never heave to worry about the likes of here again in this century.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    She was polling at 38%. She currently has 38.7%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...election,_2017
    Huh, though she was polling lower than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Huh, though she was polling lower than that.
    As the link shows, she's been polling at 35-40% in a hypothetical match-up with Macron for 3 months now. She was polling at 40+% vs. Fillion.
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    Well, America elected a fascist shit-wizard and France didn't. That makes America a worse country than France. That's political science, and you can't argue with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Seems like Randy 's fascist wet dream is well and truly over.
    Fuck off and stop trolling. I always supported first Fillon and then Macron, I oppose fascism and find the fact that a third of one of our nearest neighbouring nation voted for a fascist scary. I hope and expect fascists will get less than 0.1% of the vote here next month.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Relieved, but they're making steady progress every election. Their counterparts in Scandinavia and in Eastern Europe are likely to see greater electoral success. Granted that wouldn't be as harmful to the EU as if France had succumbed but their increasing strength will make the EU more ineffective for every year and may provoke counter-productive responses from Brussels.

    Nevertheless, woohoo
    Fully agreed and that's a very mature post, well done. Its scary how much fascism is rearing its ugly, ugly head on the continent and that was one of my reasons for wanting to leave. I don't want to import fascist policies from fascist electors in France or Austria or Hungary etc
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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