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    Growing compared to what? Vietnam era was far worse.
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    The Vietnam era had a point though. And it included Free Speech.

    Edit: Wait, in what way was it worse aside from low grade pot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    The Vietnam era had a point though. And it included Free Speech.

    Edit: Wait, in what way was it worse aside from low grade pot?
    Um, what? Professors and administrators were regularly accused of being CIA agents. Bomb threats were the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    The Vietnam era had a point though. And it included Free Speech.

    Edit: Wait, in what way was it worse aside from low grade pot?
    The violence on both sides?
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    Yes, then it got better. Sounds like a red herring to bring it up.
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    And we're nowhere near that level today. By several levels of magnitude.
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    So we don't worry about until then? What are you on?
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    Chilling Orwellianism at Harvard:

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...scinded-memes/

    Let's face it, this is just a way for oppressive liberals to punish the liberated internet libertarians of the alt right for not kneeling before the altar of political correctness.
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    Private School...can do what they want.

    Seems like: Smart enough to get into Harvard, not wise enough to stay in Harvard.

    They learned what it is like in their future careers, this dumbassity can get you fired.
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    Brrr
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    Evergreen State College is the place that enabled the ultimately-fatal extremism of Rachel Corrie.

    And yet..

    But Evergreen faces a deeper, and more long-term threat. It is the only state four-year higher education institution to see enrollment drop steeply since 2011 despite wide-open admission standards. At about 4,080 students, it is about 300 students short of the Legislature’s funded enrollment target.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/...ing-no-future/

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    His chief concern is that the flagship "is straying into areas that they just don’t need to be in," like LGBT and religious issues. "I don’t think anyone has a problem with the general concept of diversity," he said, but "these are things that tend to offend the people of Tennessee. They’re very sensitive."
    http://www.chronicle.com/article/Und...dEFvT3NnRWVHYw

    Here's the Republican State Rep. of Tennessee calling the people of his state snowflakes and using that as a pretext to defund diversity programs...
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    Some lawmakers also want the university to focus solely on multicultural issues and stay away from efforts related to sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion.
    How the hell are those not multicultural issues?
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    Maybe the good people of Tennessee are only sensitive to those issues?
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    Even if I were to go back 50 years so that things like orientation and gender identity were just considered perversion, in what possible world is religion not a cultural (and hence multicultural) area? It's the goddamned ORIGINAL diversity-topic in the country, the one going back to the Colonial era pre-Founding.
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    I'm going to guess he's sucking up to the "save us from Shari'a law" folks.
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    Going to be honest, I did not understand the original article, the furor, or the apology. The whole thing reeked of academic socio-politics to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Going to be honest, I did not understand the original article, the furor, or the apology. The whole thing reeked of academic socio-politics to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Going to be honest, I did not understand the original article, the furor, or the apology. The whole thing reeked of academic socio-politics to me
    1. The original article argued that if transgenderism exists, so does transracialism (the author supported both).
    2. You know who got outraged over various transgender-related slights (most of them completely absent from the article). They argued that the article, which was probably read by 3 people at that point, did "violence" to transgender people.
    3. A lot of feminists and philosophers, all of them part of group 2, demanded that the article be retracted, because they didn't like the implication of the theory and because the author didn't cite enough transgender people and people of color in the article.
    4. The associate editors of the journal signed a letter basically saying the article shouldn't have been published, based on point 3.
    5. The actual editors repudiated the associate editors for both talking publicly on behalf of the journal, which they had no right to do, and for undermining the journal's reputation by putting activism above academic merit.
    6. Associate editors suspended, decide to resign in protest (see piece above).

    And here we are. I don't think it was about internal politics because the original author was a second-year assistant professor. I highly doubt she had any enemies up to that point. It was clearly social justice activism and victimization making its way into a field that was on the border of academia (philosophy) and activism (feminism). If this ended up any differently, any field that's remotely involved with social justice issues would have to walk on eggshells or risk provoking outrage that would destroy its own academic reputation.
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    Books, not universities, but close enough.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-t...a-twitter.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Books, not universities, but close enough.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-t...a-twitter.html

    I'd hate to be the next generation.
    Isn't this the core of leftist thought?

    "No difference of opinion allowed, people reigning, etc… I and other people I know (mostly teens) are terrified about speaking up in this community. You don’t get a chance to be wrong here.”"

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    There are different strains of leftism. Even within the diversity camp, there are significant disagreements. These people just happen to be the loudest. The real problem is that the rest don't try hard enough to minimize their impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Books, not universities, but close enough.

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-t...a-twitter.html

    I'd hate to be the next generation.
    I'm offended by your ageism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    There are different strains of leftism. Even within the diversity camp, there are significant disagreements. These people just happen to be the loudest. The real problem is that the rest don't try hard enough to minimize their impact.
    Because everyone is terrified of the Internet Mob and Thought Police.

    Some of us have seen this coming the last 2 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    Because everyone is terrified of the Internet Mob and Thought Police.

    Some of us have seen this coming the last 2 years.
    As the article says, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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    From what I've seen, I'm thinking we may be getting close to that peak, then fall off, but that might be me being overly optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veldan Rath View Post
    From what I've seen, I'm thinking we may be getting close to that peak, then fall off, but that might be me being overly optimistic.
    Ehhh I mean honestly for the vast majority of the country they don't give a shit. You'll have enclaves on college campuses for decades but for most people it isn't a big deal. In fact a lot of it is commonly lampooned by comedians and on the internet in various discussion groups. Hell the number of self proclaimed anti-SJWs outnumber the actual SJWs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Ehhh I mean honestly for the vast majority of the country they don't give a shit. You'll have enclaves on college campuses for decades but for most people it isn't a big deal. In fact a lot of it is commonly lampooned by comedians and on the internet in various discussion groups. Hell the number of self proclaimed anti-SJWs outnumber the actual SJWs.
    Yet they manage to form lynch mobs , get people, fired, arrested, lose financial opportunities, because being on offense all the time leads to victory more often than sitting on defense.
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