Just saying, but justifiable doesn't mean unavoidable. And with the current balance so heavily in favour of the police, it's not surprising people doubt the police's own investigation's outcome. I'm all in favour of giving police the benefit of the doubt, but that only works if people tryst the police.
One thing that bugs me: police are supposed to be trained and better at assessing threat level, but it appears they are not particularly good at that. If police are routinely feeling they are under threat when they're not, maybe you should look at your threat assessment.
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No, they're not. The police rarely tries to diffuse the situation. In 400 cases a year, the person killed didn't have a gun. If you have multiple police officers confronting a single suspect, you should be able to take them down without killing them. Even when the suspect has a gun, the police should try much harder to get the person to put that gun down. You know, what police in every other Western country manage to do.
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I don't disagree with anything you posted, particularly, though I will note that while it is easy to point to instances of police misconduct, (I do with some regularity) it's also easy to fall into a trap of believing these anecdotal incidents are more widely representative then they really are. I don't believe most police officers who need to fire their weapon in the line of duty are not doing so indiscriminately, and without cause, and I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to support that claim either.
That being said, I can and do understand why many do have trouble placing their trust in the police, and how that trust can be easily lost.
And this assessment is based on what again? If someone comes at a police officer with a knife, is that justifiable? If an unarmed person is grappling with a police officer and they go for their gun, is that justifiable? This is a ridiculous claim to make, and I'd love to see evidence supporting that the majority of police involved shootings are unjustified.No, they're not. The police rarely tries to diffuse the situation. In 400 cases a year, the person killed didn't have a gun. If you have multiple police officers confronting a single suspect, you should be able to take them down without killing them. Even when the suspect has a gun, the police should try much harder to get the person to put that gun down. You know, what police in every other Western country manage to do.
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Seeing as how I have been both very critical of police and police protocol, as well as concerned with both the number and types of shootings that seems like an inaccurate portrayal of my position.
And it may shock you, but libertarians also recognize the need for the use of force, especially in self-defense.
The problem I have is that how much this might be true
the number who are, at least when confronting certain population, are high that the people who need the right to use force in self-defense are the ones being shot by the cops.most police officers who need to fire their weapon in the line of duty are (not) doing so indiscriminately, and without cause,
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Holy shit do you know how fast you can get shot? If someone has a gun and you don't shoot and they decide to do it you have dead people. Any sort of non-compliance by someone with a gun needs to be dealt with immediately.
And in several cases you have folks armed with something other than a gun attacking the police, knives for example. I want the police to shoot and kill the crazy knife wielder. That's totally appropriate.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-u...-t-be-too-nice
Trump addressing an audience of police in NY non-too subtly suggests officers 'rough up' suspects, to cheers and laughter from police audience.
Almost like it's more than a few bad apples or something.
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I was a big fan of that speech.
""They kidnap. They extort. They rape and they rob," Trump said. "They stomp on their victims. They beat them with clubs, they slash them with machetes, and they stab them with knives. They have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into bloodstained killing fields. They're animals.""
I'm not a huge fan of a lot of Trump's moves but this is a good one. Dehumanizing criminals is an important step in the right direction.
It's ok, we figured you would be.I was a big fan of that speech.
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We descended into hell
Into kingdom come
And...Lewk derails a potentially interesting conversation again...guys, just ignore his ass.
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You should have contributed then?
I don't see much more that can be added seeing how this thread is just a copy of the BLM thread. You have Lewk being an idiot, Randblade thinking cops are justified in being racist/profiling adrenaline junkie trigger happy freaks because he thinks their job is dangerous and everyone else being varying levels of not so retarded.
Until charges are filed there is nothing new to add.
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"In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."
Wow, then nevermind...sheesh.
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Rape is a horrible crime and I fully support it being harshly punished. Sadly, very evil and twisted people use the rape accusation as a weapon and so society should be extremely vigilant against it.
Last time I checked Trump didn't say "beat the accused" he sound don't be nice to them, don't hold their head as they get put in the cruiser. The part I particularly like is how he called the brutal gang that beat two teens to death 'animals.' That's important because the hopeful next step is to brand it a terrorist organization.