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    Good on the university for allowing the march. Let the bigots march and counter their hatred with rationality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Good on the university for allowing the march. Let the bigots march and counter their hatred with rationality.
    Courts have already, and quite rationally, ruled that the first amendment doesn't protect incitement to violence. So, I am quite surprised why you think the university made the right decision allowing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazir View Post
    Courts have already, and quite rationally, ruled that the first amendment doesn't protect incitement to violence. So, I am quite surprised why you think the university made the right decision allowing it.
    There is a difference between a peaceful march and incitement to violence.

    Even those I despise have the right to peacefully express their opinions. I've made abundantly clear the full weight of the law should apply to any law breakers though with terrorism charges on top where appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    There is a difference between a peaceful march and incitement to violence.

    Even those I despise have the right to peacefully express their opinions. I've made abundantly clear the full weight of the law should apply to any law breakers though with terrorism charges on top where appropriate.
    To take your country back from minorities does not express an opinion, it's a call to violence against those minorities.
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    *shrug* haters are impervious to reason. And, if they are so bold in Virginia, you can be sure they have a great deal of silent support in the community. Welcome to Lewk's 2017.
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    And 2013 and 2011 and 1998. There's always been haters but driving that hate underground so that it festers achieves nothing.

    The other day without a semblance of irony I saw some American moron on Twitter share a snippet from American History X as if it was "The Truth" (TM) without realising that movie was entirely about his journey away from Neo-Nazism and to warn against hate.
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    From what I gather the university did not allow the march. It was ruled an unlawful assembly. It was set up cause these assholes want as much media attention as possible before todays hate march. The hate subs on reddit are already gathering which businesses to attack because they are putting up diversity and tolerance signs.

    This is straight up unacceptable in america, much less on a college campus

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    Wow OG ... if they're dumb enough to be pre-announcing what crimes they're going to commit then the Police should ensure they have enough cameras and officers to ensure any law breakers are punished severely.

    Anyone who attacks people or businesses should with this hatred should be sent down for a very long time.
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    The threats alone should be enough to start acting on but these assholes hide behind twisting the 1st amendment and trying to be coy. Nothing more than bullies trying to scare people into not speaking up. Can't have rainbow flags spanning the streets and covering windows messing with their media whoring.
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    Absolutely if a law has been broken then act already. Though it may be an idea to give these morons enough rope to hang themselves and then act.
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    and of course it turns violent, asshole drove his car into the counter protesters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    and of course it turns violent, asshole drove his car into the counter protesters

    Somebody needs to be charged with murder if not terrorism too.
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    These people are disgusting:

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    But also not threatening to the police. Because they're white.
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    In a way it's kind of a shame because I think there's nothing wrong with keeping that statue, not in that state. Lee led the Confederate army and he'd been a slaveholder himself but he was genuinely not fighting for slavery. He fought for Virginia and was a perfectly respectable icon of a Virginian from a historical perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    In a way it's kind of a shame because I think there's nothing wrong with keeping that statue, not in that state. Lee led the Confederate army and he'd been a slaveholder himself but he was genuinely not fighting for slavery. He fought for Virginia and was a perfectly respectable icon of a Virginian from a historical perspective.
    This Lee?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...al-lee/529038/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I stopped reading your article after it started on his strategic prowess right at the beginning. He wasn't anywhere near as good a strategist as he was a tactician but the idiots criticizing him there always overlook the fact that he repeatedly made clear, before and during the war, that the South was screwed in that kind of war, that it couldn't match the industrial and financial muscle of the Union. He didn't HAVE better options. Both his offensives failed but he didn't have any choice but to try them in an attempt to seize DC or scare them into talking things out. He was a general in the field, not a part of either the Confederate legislature nor its War Office. He didn't get to dictate policy and he wouldn't have tried, it would have gone against the code of conduct he considered proper for a serving officer.
    He was a slaveholder. He ran large estate and he punished slaves on it. But he was also very clear, again before and during the war as well as after, that slavery wasn't worth secession or the war that followed. I didn't say boo about his attitudes on race relations, but you're not going to find better attitudes among any other significant figures from that period or later, in the South or in the North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I stopped reading your article after it started on his strategic prowess right at the beginning. He wasn't anywhere near as good a strategist as he was a tactician but the idiots criticizing him there always overlook the fact that he repeatedly made clear, before and during the war, that the South was screwed in that kind of war, that it couldn't match the industrial and financial muscle of the Union. He didn't HAVE better options. Both his offensives failed but he didn't have any choice but to try them in an attempt to seize DC or scare them into talking things out. He was a general in the field, not a part of either the Confederate legislature nor its War Office. He didn't get to dictate policy and he wouldn't have tried, it would have gone against the code of conduct he considered proper for a serving officer.
    He was a slaveholder. He ran large estate and he punished slaves on it. But he was also very clear, again before and during the war as well as after, that slavery wasn't worth secession or the war that followed. I didn't say boo about his attitudes on race relations, but you're not going to find better attitudes among any other significant figures from that period or later, in the South or in the North.
    I recommend reading the rest. That part was the weakest one in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    He didn't get to dictate policy and he wouldn't have tried, it would have gone against the code of conduct he considered proper for a serving officer.
    He swore an oath to defend the United States of America and it's Constitution. His "code of conduct" didn't stop him from breaking that oath and leading a bloody war against the United States. Fuck his code of conduct and fuck him for choosing Virginia over the nation and the constitution he swore to defend. And fuck that statue - no US military officer who betrayed the nation the way he did should be honored like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    He swore an oath to defend the United States of America and it's Constitution.
    As an officer in the US Army and he resigned his commission first. There is nothing in the oath of service that it was 'in perpetuity", it only governed his conduct while he served. Furthermore, his actions DID uphold the Constitution. The Union's did not. The Constitution is moot on the topic of secession directly but quite frankly any honest reading (particularly if one is the least bit interested in original intent which certainly was the mode at the time) would have found it under the 10th amendment. You know, the one explicitly reserving all rights not otherwise mentioned as being held by the people or the individual states?

    Meanwhile you don't say boo about, say, a head on a mountain dedicated to a demogogue, unrepentant slaveholder, slave-rapist, coward, etc. A man who would absolutely stood behind his native Virginia as well if he'd still been alive. Jefferson held that the Tree of Liberty must be kept watered with blood and would have seen the Civil War as a reminder to an overreaching central government that they should not be trammeling on the freedom of all those men who were created equal which manifestly did not include the black man. All (with the exception of the coward part) which can be said about every one of the Virginian founding fathers who have statues, towns, monuments, parks, etc. commemorating and honoring them.
    You, Loki, and any of the board's other totally history-ignorant morons can climb off your self-righteous "socially progressive" high horses and go fuck yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    In a way it's kind of a shame because I think there's nothing wrong with keeping that statue, not in that state. Lee led the Confederate army and he'd been a slaveholder himself but he was genuinely not fighting for slavery. He fought for Virginia and was a perfectly respectable icon of a Virginian from a historical perspective.
    The statue on the other hand seems to be a part of a move in the first half of the 20th century to rehabilitate the Confederacy, so demands to remove it aren't entirely unreasonable either. If you never have seen it; watch Gone with the wind. Then try to imagine if that movie could have been made today. I think the answer would be a resounding NO.

    The lie of the South as a victim having lost a genteel better way of life, due to chivalry standing no chance against the crushing mechanic force of the North is, when you think of it, an extremely ugly one. Lee may have been 'just another patriot', but he was so for a Patria that existed in order to keep large numbers of people in sub-human status.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    Already happened (no mention of terrorist charges though).
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    Good. If it's an aggravating factor then throw on terrorism charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Good. If it's an aggravating factor then throw on terrorism charges.
    I'm in favor of the death penalty for the piece of shit - I wonder how many people here on this board would agree.

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    Doxxing put to good use:

    https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/s...11734617075712
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    I wonder what happens if some of them are actually UVA students.
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    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 08-13-2017 at 02:09 AM.
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    This is what people like lewk have enabled, because somehow this is better than having Hillary as president

    Last edited by Ominous Gamer; 08-13-2017 at 02:35 AM.
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