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    Don't be absurd if they'd been able to use their normal voting mechanism and procedures like local governments normally can then there would have been all that infrastructure in place. Spain got rid of all that then you want to complain it wasn't there?

    You are being a parody of a bad cop right now. Its like you're refusing a black man ID, then insisting on arresting him for having no ID (despite having no ID not being illegal) then beating up other blacks because they protested your first action.

    I never had you down as such a totalitarian.
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    I see Loki you have no intention of actually rowing back and criticising Police state brutality. Bear that in mind next time you're criticising your own cops when you enthuse others beating up elderly unarmed voters for daring to have an opinion.

    Spanish government unveils next phase of totally unnecessary f**k-up
    THE Spanish government has announced further plans for totally ballsing up for no reason, it has been confirmed.

    Amid scenes of chaos and police violence, the Spanish government has said this is just the start of their plans to totally bollocks up this whole Catalan referendum thing.

    Spanish PM Mariano Rajoy said: “The most responsible and democratic thing to do when confronted with a region’s desire for independence is to declare it illegal, throw people in jail and start cracking skulls. That’s just democracy 101.

    “But after that, we’re thinking about shooting protesters with rubber bullets, attacking firefighters and telling them that they can’t have ‘El Clasico’ any more if they leave.

    “What? We’ve already done all those things?”

    “Well then yeah, we’ve done all we can to balls this situation up at this moment in time.”

    Catalan Josep Alcaniz Matoses added: “I actually wasn’t sure about us being independent from Spain.”

    “But seeing as they’ve said it’s illegal for me to even have a choice and the police are going to kick our heads in for even wanting to, they’re really making the decision for me.”
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    Not wanting to spurn the chance to turn a crisis into a calamity the Spanish King has gone on TV not to criticise violence but instead to denounce the Catalan leaders.

    The Catalans have responded by saying they will go ahead with a UDI "within days".

    Madrid are acting like idiots trying to encourage violence. The Catalan voters democratically elected a government pledging to hold a referendum, just as the Scottish voters had done years earlier.

    If after the Scottish voters had elected an SNP government Cameron had refused a referendum and instead sent armed Police to crush the referendum, raid newspapers and attack unarmed voters, then Her Majesty the Queen had gone on TV to criticise the SNP leaders ... then I would be utterly ashamed of my government. There is no excuse for this violence and undemocratic behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not wanting to spurn the chance to turn a crisis into a calamity the Spanish King has gone on TV not to criticise violence but instead to denounce the Catalan leaders.

    The Catalans have responded by saying they will go ahead with a UDI "within days".

    Madrid are acting like idiots trying to encourage violence. The Catalan voters democratically elected a government pledging to hold a referendum, just as the Scottish voters had done years earlier.

    If after the Scottish voters had elected an SNP government Cameron had refused a referendum and instead sent armed Police to crush the referendum, raid newspapers and attack unarmed voters, then Her Majesty the Queen had gone on TV to criticise the SNP leaders ... then I would be utterly ashamed of my government. There is no excuse for this violence and undemocratic behaviour.
    Well, and then today there was an excuse; seems like large sections of Catalan society are against independence pushed through like the separatists tried to.
    Greece shows us that there is a kind of politician worse than the ones that break their election promises; the ones that keep their election promises.

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    If only there was a way to count how many in a society do and don't want a change ...
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    That's like saying a majority of Brits want a hard and chaotic brexit with no deal.
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    Not true whatsoever. It's like saying the Brits and Scots both got a say in their future and the Spanish should stop being anti democratic heirs to Franco and give the Catalans a say.

    That doesn't preempt or predetermine what the outcome is. I suspect if a free and fair referendum had been allowed originally it would have been an even more emphatic no than the Scots delivered. But now we don't know.
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    A referendum on secession that does not also include a referendum on the process and the outcomes is not an accurate and informative indicator of the voters' preferences.
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    So get involved and debate those issues, don't just send armed thugs to beat up people who try to have a say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    So get involved and debate those issues, don't just send armed thugs to beat up people who try to have a say.
    Hold a fraudulent ballot instead (still no results released for individual precincts; the results from rural areas defy reason; rural stations had 0 election observers). While your top cop conspires to provoke violence in order to declare independence regardless of the results of said fraudulent vote (https://www.elespanol.com/espana/tri...429_0.amp.html).
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    No. Have an organised, free and fair, monitored vote instead.

    Someone stopped that. Remind me, was it the Catalan leaders or the Spanish leaders? You're a total hypocrite
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    Just how many laws do you want to break the second someone decided that their magical fairy of choice is nationalism instead of religion?
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    How many peaceful non-violent protests when faced with someone sending armed Police to beat up elderly and female voters? I'd support as many as it takes.
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    Clever play by Puidgemont calling for a de-escalation, calling for dialogue and "suspending" the process of independence rather than issuing a UDI. How will Madrid respond now?

    Having thrown armed thugs to beat up the elderly as Loki has endorsed will Madrid step back from the madness or sense weakness and pounce?
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    I don't think anyone's covered themselves in glory with this one, obviously Madrid comes off worse but the Catalan government are now moving towards independence with a highly dubious mandate, which is bullshit too.
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    Best way to get out of this now is an internationally-recognised and audited ballot but Madrid won't go for that. And they've massively shot themselves in the foot with their bully boy tactics.
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