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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    YouTube and Google punched in their bottom line, promise more urgent action: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42110068

    A regulatory investigation would barely have got off the ground by now if that.
    But Randblade, I thought there was no issue here? That there's always iffy content on the Internets and it's no ones problem but the parents if some of that iffy content comes up next to kids videos on Youtube?

    So why are you now praising Youtube and their advertisers for taking action against the thing I said was a problem and you've said isn't?

    To answer the other dubious points in this thread I couldn't be bothered with before:

    a) Yes, Youtube does have human moderators, but nowhere near enough which is why they have to rely so heavily on algorithms to police their platform. If you'd been aware of the recent kerfuffle about their bots going around demonetizing more or less everything as unsuitable for advertisers, which was in itself a reaction the last time they got in trouble over the kind of content they have on their platform (hate speech) you'd understand this.
    b) Yes, parents have a responsibility to monitor what media their children consumes, but if something is advertised as kid friendly than I think parents should be able to take it in good faith that the thing is, in fact kid friendly and the people who marketed it is as such have a duty of care to ensure that it so. If a parent brought their child of crisps and they turned out to contain a black widow spider or rattle snake or something I think they'd have a right to be annoyed and 'well, parents should monitor what their kids eat' wouldn't cut it as a defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    But Randblade, I thought there was no issue here? That there's always iffy content on the Internets and it's no ones problem but the parents if some of that iffy content comes up next to kids videos on Youtube?

    So why are you now praising Youtube and their advertisers for taking action against the thing I said was a problem and you've said isn't?
    Your objection was creepy and macabre content generated for videos with titles geared toward search results. In what possible light do you think that's the same problem as sexual predators leaving suggestive comments on videos kids have uploaded themselves? The fact that both occur on the internet? That's GGT-reasoning, Steely, you're better than that.
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    Er, I thought that's what the article was about, it was pretty unclear. My bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Your objection was creepy and macabre content generated for videos with titles geared toward search results. In what possible light do you think that's the same problem as sexual predators leaving suggestive comments on videos kids have uploaded themselves? The fact that both occur on the internet? That's GGT-reasoning, Steely, you're better than that.
    Bah, the fact is that we're discussing consumer safety on the internet, and who's responsible/accountable for safeguards. That's not "GGT-reasoning"

    And just because I said parents can't possibly monitor their school-aged childrens' on-line behavior 24/7 doesn't mean web sites are absolved from their civic responsibilities. *Soft Porn*

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    You've not yet explained why school-kids interested in pre-school/young children cartoons like Peppa Pig and Nursery Rhymes even have 24/7 unsupervised access to the internet. I didn't even have 24/7 access to a TV at that age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    Bah, the fact is that we're discussing consumer safety on the internet, and who's responsible/accountable for safeguards. That's not "GGT-reasoning"
    Actually, "I don't like it, someone needs to fix it" and treating them like they're the same regardless of how different the problems are, would be EXACTLY why I said it was GGT-reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Actually, "I don't like it, someone needs to fix it" and treating them like they're the same regardless of how different the problems are, would be EXACTLY why I said it was GGT-reasoning.
    I don't think it's a stretch to see that kids who have "uploaded videos themselves" can be exposed to search engine results with "macabre and creepy content". You're right, they're not the same thing (and I didn't say they were). But I was commenting on the consumer safety aspect for minor children, on a platform that even adults have trouble navigating, and protecting themselves from predatory behavior.

    I don't assume that 'parental controls' on devices are enough, since a large percent of those parents (according to reported numbers) have had their email or bank accounts hacked, or their identity stolen, or some other nefarious internet experience like malware. That's what leads me to believe that more needs to be done by the providers and hosts themselves, on the front-end.


    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    You've not yet explained why school-kids interested in pre-school/young children cartoons like Peppa Pig and Nursery Rhymes even have 24/7 unsupervised access to the internet. I didn't even have 24/7 access to a TV at that age.
    When I was that age we didn't even have color TV!

    Look, all I'm saying is that "the internet" is a swamp, but it's now an integral part of every day life, including the lives of very young children. But their parents aren't necessarily equipped to sort out the dangers (they can barely protect themselves); not because they're lazy or negligent, but because "the internet" has become an unruly and unregulated giant, enabled by every smart phone or TV upgrade

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    Which is why parents of children young enough to be involved with what we are discussing should supervise their children. I don't allow my toddler to play on the internet unsupervised anymore than I'd allow her to play on the road unsupervised.

    If you're young enough to be interested in Peppa Pig you're young enough to be supervised.
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    Rand, at what age do you think children can use the internet unsupervised?

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    Not before they're allowed to eg cross a busy road unsupervised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not before they're allowed to eg cross a busy road unsupervised.
    But "busy roads" are regulated and monitored for public safety, putting child safety first (or any pedestrian). The internet doesn't do that. Try again?

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    These internet websites are both regulated and monitored and put child safety first. However accidents still happen on roads and things slip through on these sites.

    How are busy roads monitored? I'm not talking about crossing a road with the assistance of eg a lollypop lady, I mean crossing a busy road completely unsupervised. If you wouldn't let your child do that, then don't let them go online unsupervised either.
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    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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