"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
I never said there wouldn't be goofs. I said explicitly that stuff like this would happen and there would be lawsuits.
By abuses, I thought you meant mass round-ups of "brown" people in parking lots and such.
Via my One-World-Socialist-Government friend's Facebook feed...
San Francisco calling for a boycott of Arizona
John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, April 26, 2010
(04-26) 18:35 PDT San Francisco -- San Francisco's supervisors are calling for a sweeping boycott of Arizona in the wake of that state's harsh new rules aimed at illegal immigrants.
A resolution that will go before the board Tuesday will call for San Francisco to end any and all contracts with Arizona-based companies and to stop doing business with the state.
"We want to send a message," Supervisor David Campos told a rally on the steps of City Hall this morning. "There are consequences when you target a whole people."
Last Friday, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed a law making it a crime for an immigrant to be in the state without proof of legal residency and requiring police to seek out and detain anyone suspected of being in the country illegally.
The law, which will take effect this summer, is certain to face legal challenges. President Obama has called the bill "misguided" and ordered the Justice Department to determine whether it violates civil rights.
There's no way to tell yet how a boycott of Arizona would affect San Francisco.
"We're trying to figure that out now," Campos said. "We do know that we won't be sending any city employees to conferences in Arizona."
City Attorney Dennis Herrera also called for a wide-ranging boycott of Arizona and pledged to have attorneys in his office work with the city to identify contracts with Arizona companies and help break those contracts where possible.
The boycott resolution won't be the only immigration-based measure on the board's agenda Tuesday. The supervisors also are expected to pass a resolution condemning audits by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement designed to force local employers to fire undocumented workers.
The resolution calls for Congress to place a moratorium on "piecemeal" immigration enforcement efforts and encourages Congress and the president to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill "that prioritizes keeping families together, upholding civil and human rights and promoting economic justice."
E-mail John Wildermuth at jwildermuth@sfchronicle.com
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Oh right, a driver's license, european ID card, passport or immigration papers are okay here. The crap thing is that if you don't have a driver's license, like me, you need to renew your ID card every 5 years which costs around 40€
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
Ah, there's the amnesty part. Or at least that 'path to citizenship' that no one likes to talk about.The resolution calls for Congress to place a moratorium on "piecemeal" immigration enforcement efforts and encourages Congress and the president to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill "that prioritizes keeping families together, upholding civil and human rights and promoting economic justice."
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Because, God knows, we can't just let any peaceful person into the country to engage in voluntary commerce with us, because that would just be immoral.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
We've been over this before. If you're gonna post drunk, you need to be funnier.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
I'm not drunk.
It just seems you're making assumptions about my personal views on immigration, when I haven't really posted them. Whether it's worker visas, amnesty, 'pathways to legal citizenship', payroll deductions or ID requirements....all I've said is the AZ bill leaves too much up in the air and is open for litigation.
It also puts local police in a tough position.
Frack, woke up this morning and looked at Facebook and now all my friends are joining groups about this "racist" bill. I hope this doesn't turn into the next health care debate...
Got yourself a gun?Originally Posted by Dread
In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
Knock it off. Don't be so blatantly disingenuous - it takes all the sport out of things.
Granted, increasing the risk of local cops (or that Sheriff Arpaio, in particular) of getting gunned down is definitely a good thing... but the huge downside of the bill more than overshadows that minor benefit.
Huh, another good reason not to use social networking sites. Just when I thought there were too many reasons already.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Meh, haven't we had ID checks when you get pulled over by the police for years? Its not a new precedent, though I'd still say its a step down a path we don't want to take. Like Cain said, heaven forbid we allow people to come into the nation and take the jobs we won't do...
Though I hear there's a border violence angle to this as well...
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
I was under the impression that this was not the case. That the inquiry of citizenship had to be secondary to another 'investigation/suspicion'.
As in you get pulled over for speeding and cop sees 10 people in the back of the covered truck, and no one speaks English...
I could be wrong.
This:
It's just another bullshit "driving while black" charge that will inevitably be used as an excuse to harass and fine minorities. For example, that truck driver Dread posted the story about.
"No, your honor, I didn't question the defendant on suspicion of being Latino... he was acting suspiciously, like he was an illegal alien, so I asked to see his papers, frisked him, searched his person, car and home, without having to worry about that pesky constitution thing."
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
I'm torn on the issue of immigration still. They obviously don't belong here, but they are already here, and its part of America, no matter how you spin it.
But if you're going to attack the issue, you go after the people enabling the illegals to make a living here. You go after the companies that are hiring illegals, you give those enablers jail time, not fines. You don't turn it into a race thing, you don't strip away the rights of a group of people because some of them might be causing a problem. You don't force some residents to carry identification cards because they are different.
Totally agreed. I loved that cartoon when it first came out.
One thing though. There are generally two camps from the right on this issue: a) the business community (builders, restaurants, farmers) who benefit hugely from having uber hard-working employees whom they can underpay and don't pay taxes on. These guys aren't hypocritical, just self-serving. b) The ignoramuses who don't understand that some sort of immigrant has always done those jobs. The worst are the blue collar types who think immigrants are stealing their jobs, but aren't willing to do what the immigrants actually do (or work as hard). Technically these guys aren't hypocritical either, just stupid and/or ignorant. Wonderful prey for xenophobic right-wing ideologues.
Liberals generally just stay the hell out of the way, because any time illegal immigrants come up, Democrats win as the Republicans split. Part of the 2006 electoral swing was Bush's unpopularity, but I'm convinced that part was the xenophobic idiocy from the right, which drove a lot of good Catholic Latinos (natural born Republicans) to vote Democrat. The GOP knows that, too, but they can't always keep that xenophobic wing quiet.
Praying you are joking....
All civil countries allow law enforcement to check IDs, under certain very restricted circumstances. And circumventing said circumstances leads to charges being thrown out. At least for most crimes. But it doesn't for illegal immigration, because regardless of how the person was first apprehended, the facts remain that a) he is still there, all illegal-like, and b) people raise holy hell if he is released because of due process FAIL. Thus, illegal immigrants are denied due process.
Look, we all know that wingnuts do stupid stuff. Do you gain something by posting their antics? Is this a Lewkowskian attempt at quoting the DU to discredit the 98% of the political spectrum leftwards of him? Or is it an attempt to get us to lose respect for you, since you have friends like this?
Didn't the City of Berkeley vote to condemn the Iraq war early on? BFD.
1) EXACTLY.
2) I'm doubtlessly revealing a profound ignorance, but what is a "Bimmer?"
The part that I don't understand how a lot of people in the US can't differentiate between 'having no legal status' and 'being a criminal'. From there it's a small step to dehumanizing the subjects of the debate. I can understand if people want some sort of regulation of immigration, but this nonsense of illegal aliens as criminals is really too much.
Congratulations America