Can American conservatism survive intact & unadulterated?

[Aimless]

Sure you can. The president shouldn't be taken to court, because he can be impeached. He shouldn't be impeached, because he can be taken to court.

[GGT]

shush, Lewk is tasked with explaining his ideas that don't make sense

[Aimless]

So judging from the latest WH briefing, conservatism in the DPRUS is now dead, and I have to ask anyone who still thinks of themselves as an American conservative to please review the ToS.

[Hazir]

Absolutism made a return ?

[Khendraja'aro]

This is a rather dire view of things to come:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/

[Steely Glint]

It is deaf, dumb and blind to the very real economic suffering that plagues over half the country. It will not fight to pay workers a living wage. It will not defy the pharmaceutical and insurance industries to provide Medicare for all. It will not curb the voracious appetite of the military that is disemboweling the country and promoting the prosecution of futile and costly foreign wars. It will not restore our lost civil liberties, including the right to privacy, freedom from government surveillance, and due process. It will not get corporate and dark money out of politics. It will not demilitarize our police and reform a prison system that has 25 percent of the world’s prisoners although the United States has only 5 percent of the world’s population.

That's the Democrats alright.

[Aimless]

Absolutism made a return ?

We now go live to an interview with American conservatism:

Mean!

[Loki]

Clearly an expert in American politics.

[LittleFuzzy]

Clearly an expert in American politics.

I liked how it was practically a template piece for a Marxist. The military-industrial complex out to push a country into foreign adventurism, the coming authoritarian and autocratic crackdown on labor unions while simultaneously saying unions are one of the community measures which will be protect it from the approaching anarchy, the insistence that only worker wages and their spending is "the real economy". . .

The writer may be right about the potential for collapse and is certainly correct about a number of signs being congruent with a collapsing society (also congruent with troubled but non-collapsing societies, of course). But they could not resist adding the required generic Marxist talking points which just kills any chance to take him seriously.

[Loki]

I liked how it was practically a template piece for a Marxist. The military-industrial complex out to push a country into foreign adventurism, the coming authoritarian and autocratic crackdown on labor unions while simultaneously saying unions are one of the community measures which will be protect it from the approaching anarchy, the insistence that only worker wages and their spending is "the real economy". . .

The writer may be right about the potential for collapse and is certainly correct about a number of signs being congruent with a collapsing society (also congruent with troubled but non-collapsing societies, of course). But they could not resist adding the required generic Marxist talking points which just kills any chance to take him seriously.

Yeah, the part about the military jumped out at me immediately. Maybe journalists should stick to reporting the news rather than coming up with half-baked analysis (unless they do their research, which this guy clearly did not).

[Khendraja'aro]

Yeah, the part about the military jumped out at me immediately. Maybe journalists should stick to reporting the news rather than coming up with half-baked analysis (unless they do their research, which this guy clearly did not).

Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

[Aimless]

Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

Okay but mate come on that was a really dodgy rant. It was neither well-written nor well-reasoned.

[Loki]

Pray tell, do the CEOs keep this country running or is it ... the worker? It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic how the same underpaid people are now the ones keeping the show running. But hey, it's a-okay if your EMTs don't have health insurance themselves.

And that you guys begin a new war at the drop of a hat is nothing new either.

The obvious answer is both. The worker has no job without the CEO. And none of this is relevant to the half-baked analysis which is based on numerous seriously flawed assumptions.

[Aimless]

Banana republic:

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[GGT]

Wild West "conservatism". Ride it like a cowboy! Yee haw!

[Ominous Gamer]

This is the type of dictator lewk wants. Nothing else matters as long as he gets to own the libs with unqualified judges.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...install-judges
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ncies-n1184886

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[Ominous Gamer]

Gen Z is marked by its entrepreneurial attitude that it's honed from their parents. I mean shit, we (and them) would rather work out of the back of a trailer slinging burgers than be under a CEO.

Been doing a lot of generational work these past few weeks while home.

[wiggin]

Gen Z is marked by its entrepreneurial attitude that it's honed from their parents. I mean shit, we (and them) would rather work out of the back of a trailer slinging burgers than be under a CEO.

Been doing a lot of generational work these past few weeks while home.

Well, I work in a field that requires tens of millions of dollars of investment just to get a product to market. Literally this week I received/purchased equipment and services worth northwards of $300k. So it's kinda hard to do that out of your garage.

The reality is that technological innovation has allowed certain enterprises to scale with demand, allowing for minimal capital requirements (though of course they do need a whole lot of third part corporate behemoths to provide the capacity). But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.

[Steely Glint]

But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.

*nodding*

Yes, capital is summoned fully formed from the earth by the intrepid genius of plucky investors.

[GGT]

Well, I work in a field that requires tens of millions of dollars of investment just to get a product to market. Literally this week I received/purchased equipment and services worth northwards of $300k. So it's kinda hard to do that out of your garage.

The reality is that technological innovation has allowed certain enterprises to scale with demand, allowing for minimal capital requirements (though of course they do need a whole lot of third part corporate behemoths to provide the capacity). But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.

And you can't do your work without the "ancillary services" others people provide: child care providers, delivery services, truckers, farmers, grocery store clerks, janitors, trash collectors, etc. And none of that can be done without the necessary infrastructure of roads, water/sewer, a power grid, even high-speed internet.

The reality is that those third party corporate behemoths aren't paying their fair share in taxes....but the "essential workers" (who help maintain your high-tech, high income lifestyle) are seen as "expendable".

[Loki]

There's also simply not enough demand for everyone to be an entrepreneur. And places where nearly everyone works for themselves (think slums) aren't exactly economic paradises.

[wiggin]

My point is that someone (actually a consortium of angel investors, corporate VC arms, and VCs) needed to put up the money. I can't just hang out my own shingle unless I'm already quite wealthy.

[Aimless]

Beyond creepy. These people are absolutely fucking gone in the head.

[LittleFuzzy]

Beyond creepy. These people are absolutely fucking gone in the head.

Well, it can and does happen. For instance, there was a large-scale fraud incident in North Carolina in the mid-term elections. Of course, it was on behalf of and paid for by the GOP incumbent Representative. . .

The GOP ended up holding onto the seat in the subsequent special election by the way.

[Loki]

Well, it can and does happen. For instance, there was a large-scale fraud incident in North Carolina in the mid-term elections. Of course, it was on behalf of and paid for by the GOP incumbent Representative. . .

The GOP ended up holding onto the seat in the subsequent special election by the way.

Classical projection. They know they'd cheat if they could get away with it so they assume the Democrats must be cheating now.

[LittleFuzzy]

Classical projection. They know they'd cheat if they could get away with it so they assume the Democrats must be cheating now.

I take it as a given that there's always some low-level cheating going on with absentees. One active voter in a household with an inactive spouse and doing an absentee "on their behalf" for instance. But large-scale/organized fraud? I dunno, maybe in the cities it's easier to get away with it (the GOP would certainly have us believe that) but certainly in the rest of the country the County Clerk's office, Election Boards, etc. who are in charge of organizing and administering the apparatus notice it and they report it and take action against it.

[Loki]

I take it as a given that there's always some low-level cheating going on with absentees. One active voter in a household with an inactive spouse and doing an absentee "on their behalf" for instance. But large-scale/organized fraud? I dunno, maybe in the cities it's easier to get away with it (the GOP would certainly have us believe that) but certainly in the rest of the country the County Clerk's office, Election Boards, etc. who are in charge of organizing and administering the apparatus notice it and they report it and take action against it.

There have been studies of places that already do voting by mail (e.g. Oregon), and they found that as long as the right protections are in place, the amount of fraud is minimal. I'm more concerned about the kind of fraud the N. Carolina GOP ended up getting away with it.

[Loki]

In case it wasn't obvious what Trump meant by needing to liberate Democratic states.

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[Aimless]

Ingraham is probably the Fox host who comes closest to an almost perfect 1:1 ratio of mind-numbing stupidity and stomach-turning repugnance.

[Loki]

In the good old days (4 years ago), this would have been fire-worthy, even at Fox. Today, I doubt it even raises an eyebrow.