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  1. #421
    In case it wasn't obvious what Trump meant by needing to liberate Democratic states.

    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #422
    Ingraham is probably the Fox host who comes closest to an almost perfect 1:1 ratio of mind-numbing stupidity and stomach-turning repugnance.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  3. #423
    In the good old days (4 years ago), this would have been fire-worthy, even at Fox. Today, I doubt it even raises an eyebrow.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post


    Beyond creepy. These people are absolutely fucking gone in the head.
    Well, it can and does happen. For instance, there was a large-scale fraud incident in North Carolina in the mid-term elections. Of course, it was on behalf of and paid for by the GOP incumbent Representative. . .

    The GOP ended up holding onto the seat in the subsequent special election by the way.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Well, it can and does happen. For instance, there was a large-scale fraud incident in North Carolina in the mid-term elections. Of course, it was on behalf of and paid for by the GOP incumbent Representative. . .

    The GOP ended up holding onto the seat in the subsequent special election by the way.
    Classical projection. They know they'd cheat if they could get away with it so they assume the Democrats must be cheating now.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  6. #426
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Classical projection. They know they'd cheat if they could get away with it so they assume the Democrats must be cheating now.
    I take it as a given that there's always some low-level cheating going on with absentees. One active voter in a household with an inactive spouse and doing an absentee "on their behalf" for instance. But large-scale/organized fraud? I dunno, maybe in the cities it's easier to get away with it (the GOP would certainly have us believe that) but certainly in the rest of the country the County Clerk's office, Election Boards, etc. who are in charge of organizing and administering the apparatus notice it and they report it and take action against it.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I take it as a given that there's always some low-level cheating going on with absentees. One active voter in a household with an inactive spouse and doing an absentee "on their behalf" for instance. But large-scale/organized fraud? I dunno, maybe in the cities it's easier to get away with it (the GOP would certainly have us believe that) but certainly in the rest of the country the County Clerk's office, Election Boards, etc. who are in charge of organizing and administering the apparatus notice it and they report it and take action against it.
    There have been studies of places that already do voting by mail (e.g. Oregon), and they found that as long as the right protections are in place, the amount of fraud is minimal. I'm more concerned about the kind of fraud the N. Carolina GOP ended up getting away with it.
    Last edited by Loki; 04-18-2020 at 02:46 PM.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggin View Post
    Well, I work in a field that requires tens of millions of dollars of investment just to get a product to market. Literally this week I received/purchased equipment and services worth northwards of $300k. So it's kinda hard to do that out of your garage.

    The reality is that technological innovation has allowed certain enterprises to scale with demand, allowing for minimal capital requirements (though of course they do need a whole lot of third part corporate behemoths to provide the capacity). But many jobs still require a whole lot of capital to become viable businesses, and that doesn't grow on trees.
    And you can't do your work without the "ancillary services" others people provide: child care providers, delivery services, truckers, farmers, grocery store clerks, janitors, trash collectors, etc. And none of that can be done without the necessary infrastructure of roads, water/sewer, a power grid, even high-speed internet.

    The reality is that those third party corporate behemoths aren't paying their fair share in taxes....but the "essential workers" (who help maintain your high-tech, high income lifestyle) are seen as "expendable".

  9. #429
    Please enjoy this utterly delectable morsel:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  10. #430
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  11. #431
    The Confederates did try to leave it, so technically, he's not wrong.
    Take the suffering and plague away now, let the madness become the truth, cause it's never too late for mercy when the red tides rise to you
    As power tends towards violent ends, I'll choose to give up nothing, cause it's too late to be the hero, and it's too late to see the truth
    I'm exempt of absolution
    But it's never too late for you

  12. #432
    He eats too much.
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