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  1. #631
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  2. #632
    them morans will never take our freedumb
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    It's actually the original French billion, which is bi-million, which is a million to the power of 2. We adopted the word, and then they changed it, presumably as revenge for Crecy and Agincourt, and then the treasonous Americans adopted the new French usage and spread it all over the world. And now we have to use it.

    And that's Why I'm Voting Leave.

  3. #633
    Congratulations to our fellow forumite on his new job, truly a huge honor:

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-appoint...211254619.html

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    seriously, every damn picture of him
    Who can now look back with a sense of pride?

  5. #635
    Chronic constipation.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  6. #636
    It's too late. American conservatism is Trumpism.

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  7. #637
    This is the death rattle of Trumpism. We will need to see what happens next.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  9. #639
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  10. #640
    Leaders of Michigan legislature have been invited to the white house tomorrow. Trump intends to convince them to help him steal the election. They are assholes, so they likely will go along. How sharp is the edge on which American democracy now teeters?
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  11. #641
    If they go ahead and send GOP electors to the Electoral College, you can kiss democracy goodbye, even if Biden ends up president on Jan. 20.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #642
    Told you not to jinx it but would you listen, noooooo
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  13. #643
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Leaders of Michigan legislature have been invited to the white house tomorrow. Trump intends to convince them to help him steal the election. They are assholes, so they likely will go along. How sharp is the edge on which American democracy now teeters?
    Not going to happen.

    Enough GOP Senators respect democracy to reject any attempts of override electors. Romney, Sasse and Collins plus Democrats would be able to vote down dodgy electors. This is darkly dangerous but also futile and impotent, there isn't a chance of it succeeding but it is terrible they're trying. Too many are humouring Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Told you not to jinx it but would you listen, noooooo


    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Not going to happen.

    Enough GOP Senators respect democracy to reject any attempts of override electors. Romney, Sasse and Collins plus Democrats would be able to vote down dodgy electors. This is darkly dangerous but also futile and impotent, there isn't a chance of it succeeding but it is terrible they're trying. Too many are humouring Trump.
    Not convinced there are enough GOP senators who'd defy Trump on this. Romney, probably. Everyone else? Unlikely, regardless of what they claim nw.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  15. #645
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    Not convinced there are enough GOP senators who'd defy Trump on this. Romney, probably. Everyone else? Unlikely, regardless of what they claim nw.
    Sasse and Collins have already congratulated Biden for winning the election.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  16. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Sasse and Collins have already congratulated Biden for winning the election.
    That doesn't indicate a willingness to use their authority as senators to try to prevent Trump from stealing the election.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  17. #647
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    That doesn't indicate a willingness to use their authority as senators to try to prevent Trump from stealing the election.
    What are you on about? What exactly do you propose the senate do?

  18. #648
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    What are you on about? What exactly do you propose the senate do?
    Individual GOP senators can unequivocally state that, in the event of conflicts arising from a refusal to certify election results, they would accept the EC slate that corresponds to the results of the popular vote in each state. Individual GOP senators can also reach out to Dems and indicate that they would support impeachment in the short time available, which would be more than justified based on Trump's actions in just these past few weeks. Individual GOP senators can also speak, in the Senate, about the danger posed by all this authoritarian asshattery, and call on other members of the party to also unequivocally announce that they accept the election results, condemn Trump's repugnant behavior, and demand that the transition not be held up a day longer. Senate control matters, and senators have power; the question is whether or not they also have spines. It's likely most GOP senators genuinely are gutless cretins who, like you, prefer to pretend there's nothing they can do. The reality is that there is plenty they can do to influence what's happening right now in your shithole country.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  19. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Individual GOP senators can unequivocally state that, in the event of conflicts arising from a refusal to certify election results, they would accept the EC slate that corresponds to the results of the popular vote in each state. Individual GOP senators can also reach out to Dems and indicate that they would support impeachment in the short time available, which would be more than justified based on Trump's actions in just these past few weeks. Individual GOP senators can also speak, in the Senate, about the danger posed by all this authoritarian asshattery, and call on other members of the party to also unequivocally announce that they accept the election results, condemn Trump's repugnant behavior, and demand that the transition not be held up a day longer. Senate control matters, and senators have power; the question is whether or not they also have spines. It's likely most GOP senators genuinely are gutless cretins who, like you, prefer to pretend there's nothing they can do. The reality is that there is plenty they can do to influence what's happening right now in your shithole country.
    Impeachment for filling a law suit? Y'all really are impeachment happy.

    It would actually be pretty absurd and an absolute violation of the constitutional balance of power for the Senate to try to interfere in an individual state's vote counting and certifying.

  20. #650
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Impeachment for filling a law suit? Y'all really are impeachment happy.
    He's attacking our democracy. Don't try to pretend that he just filed a lawsuit. I'm still pushing for treason charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Impeachment for filling a law suit? Y'all really are impeachment happy.

    It would actually be pretty absurd and an absolute violation of the constitutional balance of power for the Senate to try to interfere in an individual state's vote counting and certifying.
    You know this is not ‘filing a lawsuit’. What Trump is attempting is disqualification of the American voter as the ultimate arbiter of who is in charge. You can save yourself any pedantic lessons how America really isn’t a democracy but a republic. The people who set up that system had every intention of keeping the ship of state in a safe pair of hands. It wasn’t set up to hand the wheel to a populist devoid of any shame.

    It’s shocking how you are willing to destroy your country just because the man who leads the charge pisses off liberals.
    Congratulations America

  22. #652
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Sasse and Collins have already congratulated Biden for winning the election.
    "The Washington Post contacted all 53 Republican U.S. senators for comments on the president’s efforts to overturn the election results, including his invitation to Michigan’s GOP legislative leaders to a meeting Friday as he tries to block the state from certifying Biden’s victory with a margin of about 150,000 votes there.

    Fewer than 10 senators’ offices responded. Of those, most declined to comment or referred to previous remarks — in some cases remarks that predated Trump’s actions this week, including his call to a county canvassing board member in Michigan.

    Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Mitt Romney of Utah and Ben Sasse of Nebraska, each of whom has been critical of Trump in the past, were the only Republicans to tackle the president’s actions head-on."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc9_story.html

    Given Collins's history of backing off at the last second, the most you can count on is 1-2.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  23. #653
    Collins, Romney and Sasse would be enough though I expect more would value democracy over Trump if push came to shove.

    If the Democrats can win either GA race that would improve things too since the vote would be after their inauguration I believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    ℬeing upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  24. #654
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Impeachment for filling a law suit? Y'all really are impeachment happy.
    We both know you're a very, very stupid man, and it's borderline painful to see you keep trying to pretend you aren't. Trump would be impeached for attacking—through lies, ridiculously frivolous lawsuits, and corrupt efforts to influence officials—the US electoral system, by trying to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters who legally cast votes against him, after he did everything in his power to prevent their votes from being delivered and processed on time.

    It would actually be pretty absurd and an absolute violation of the constitutional balance of power for the Senate to try to interfere in an individual state's vote counting and certifying.
    That is nonsense; there would be no violation of any constitutional principles for senators to publicly confirm the winner of the election, condemn Trump's attacks on the integrity of the vote, and assure the public that they intend to vote to confirm the votes of the slate of electors that correspond to the winner of the popular vote in each state, in the event that a state sends more than one slate of electors. For an example of an attempted "violation of the constitutional balance of power"—as well as basic principles of ethical governance—see Graham's despicable attempts to persuade Republican state officials to toss out legal votes, or Trump's successful obstruction of certification by swaying key officials, or the clearly stated intention to try to get SCOTUS to overturn the will of state courts and legislatures.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  25. #655
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Collins, Romney and Sasse would be enough though I expect more would value democracy over Trump if push came to shove.

    If the Democrats can win either GA race that would improve things too since the vote would be after their inauguration I believe.
    The Democrats aren't going to magically turn things around in Congress based on Georgia. Look at how they've performed elsewhere. This election ended up being a (relatively narrow) rejection of Trump but not of the Republican Party. Warnock probably has the better chance and if it were that race alone there'd maybe be a possibility of Loeffler losing but since people will be voting for Perdue at the same time. . .
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  26. #656
    Yikes, that ruling... ouch.



    Dismissed with prejudice, which, though it is ordinarily something Trump likes, is not good for him this time around.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  27. #657
    I don't know how American conservatism can ever bounce back from this:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  28. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    The Democrats aren't going to magically turn things around in Congress based on Georgia. Look at how they've performed elsewhere. This election ended up being a (relatively narrow) rejection of Trump but not of the Republican Party. Warnock probably has the better chance and if it were that race alone there'd maybe be a possibility of Loeffler losing but since people will be voting for Perdue at the same time. . .
    Best hope is that a lot of Trumpists stay at home either because they think their vote will be stolen or because they believe the GOP betrayed Trump.
    Hope is the denial of reality

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    https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-tru...unoffs-1549245

    One can hope (but I doubt it'll actually happen).
    Keep on keepin' the beat alive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flixy View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-tru...unoffs-1549245

    One can hope (but I doubt it'll actually happen).
    You can tell these people are concerned with the Democratic process instead of throwing a hissy fit for having lost.
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
    Which is what I am

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