Can American conservatism survive intact & unadulterated?

[Aimless]

Seeing clips from the farcical hearing of Wray and Rosenstein, I was struck by two things:

1. How cartoonishly stupid the Hannity-channeling grandstanding Republicans on the committee are. I mean it's just unbelievable. It's even worse than Jordan's and Gowdy's provocatively slappable faces.

2. The apparent strength of Wray's and Rosenstein's resolve to see this through no matter what shit gets thrown their way by these fucking circus clowns.

[Lewkowski]

Seeing clips from the farcical hearing of Wray and Rosenstein, I was struck by two things:

1. How cartoonishly stupid the Hannity-channeling grandstanding Republicans on the committee are. I mean it's just unbelievable. It's even worse than Jordan's and Gowdy's provocatively slappable faces.

2. The apparent strength of Wray's and Rosenstein's resolve to see this through no matter what shit gets thrown their way by these fucking circus clowns.

To be honest they are barking up the wrong tree with Rosenstein. Unless he's a complete liar (and I don't think he is) he seems to be doing exactly what he feel is the ethical and appropriate thing to do. I do think the Gowdy wanting a proper end to the investigation is appropriate (justice delayed is justice denied quote was a nice touch). There exists two possible scenarios:

1. Trump colluded with Russians. This should then lead to articles of Impeachment. Wouldn't you want a President OUT as soon as possible if he did this sort of thing?

2. Trump didn't collude with the Russians. In this case you would want this waste of tax payers money to be ended as soon as possible.

In either scenario you want the investigation to be finished rapidly. Only if you think there was no collusion and want to simply damage Trump would you want it to drag its feet.

[Aimless]

I do think the Gowdy wanting a proper end to the investigation is appropriate (justice delayed is justice denied quote was a nice touch). There exists two possible scenarios:

1. Trump colluded with Russians. This should then lead to articles of Impeachment. Wouldn't you want a President OUT as soon as possible if he did this sort of thing?

2. Trump didn't collude with the Russians. In this case you would want this waste of tax payers money to be ended as soon as possible.

In either scenario you want the investigation to be finished rapidly. Only if you think there was no collusion and want to simply damage Trump would you want it to drag its feet.

It is irrelevant what partisans on either side want. What matters is what is necessary for the investigation to be conducted in accordance with the law and best practice. Regardless of what the truth is, the investigation's conclusions about the truth must be based on the best possible evidence. Your statement--and Gowdy's--clearly show that you believe justice should be subservient to partisan considerations. These investigations two to three years on average and this particular investigation is clearly more complex than most, given the number of people involved and indicted. To imply that it is taking an inordinately long time and shout at those in charge of it signals either extraordinary stupidity or a particularly malignant flavour of partisanship.

The gag-inducing sophomoric grandstanding was indeed a nice touch, but only because it exposed in a mere second just what a fucking hypocrite that clown is. Everyone who isn't a mark knows a bullshitter on sight, and everyone in that room with half a brain realized at that moment that Mr. Benghazi really is just as full of shit as it appears.

[Lewkowski]

It is irrelevant what partisans on either side want. What matters is what is necessary for the investigation to be conducted in accordance with the law and best practice. Regardless of what the truth is, the investigation's conclusions about the truth must be based on the best possible evidence. Your statement--and Gowdy's--clearly show that you believe justice should be subservient to partisan considerations. These investigations two to three years on average and this particular investigation is clearly more complex than most, given the number of people involved and indicted. To imply that it is taking an inordinately long time and shout at those in charge of it signals either extraordinary stupidity or a particularly malignant flavour of partisanship.

The gag-inducing sophomoric grandstanding was indeed a nice touch, but only because it exposed in a mere second just what a fucking hypocrite that clown is. Everyone who isn't a mark knows a bullshitter on sight, and everyone in that room with half a brain realized at that moment that Mr. Benghazi really is just as full of shit as it appears.

What exactly creates a delay? They have a team working to process information. Talk to everyone they want to talk with and get it done. Our entire system is slow as hell (not just this investigation) and its really nonsensical. In the private world when an employee has an arbitration dispute shit gets handled fast. I'm not going to pretend they have the same levels of complexity but you'd think that the idea that the leader of the free world is currently in power and *might* (doubt it) have broken the law and conspired with a foreign power would lead to someone to give it some gas? Like seriously "steal an election and in the last year of your term you might be in trouble!" is insane.

[LittleFuzzy]

What exactly creates a delay? They have a team working to process information. Talk to everyone they want to talk with and get it done. Our entire system is slow as hell (not just this investigation) and its really nonsensical. In the private world when an employee has an arbitration dispute shit gets handled fast.

That's because arbitration is designed to be fast and (frankly) incredibly one-sided. This is a criminal investigation and the balance of power between the investigators and the investigated is nothing like one-sided.

[Lewkowski]

That's because arbitration is designed to be fast and (frankly) incredibly one-sided. This is a criminal investigation and the balance of power between the investigators and the investigated is nothing like one-sided.

It is literally handled by a third party. The purpose is to be quick and effective and avoid the insanely slow court system.

[LittleFuzzy]

It is literally handled by a third party. The purpose is to be quick and effective and avoid the insanely slow court system.

Yes, it is designed to be quick and "effective". And yes, it's handled by a third party. The same third party the employer contracts with to take charge of arbitration proceedings. The "third party" has a relationship with one of the two sides in arbitration. Furthermore, unlike an employee who such an arbiter will only see for that one or handful of proceedings, they will see the employer and its regular representatives every time, so s/he not only has a relationship, they literally KNOW the employer and its lawyers from regular contact. The system bills itself as being impartial. It never is in the type of proceeding you referred to. Arbitration works (mostly) the way it is supposed to when it's done between rough equals.

[Aimless]

What exactly creates a delay? They have a team working to process information. Talk to everyone they want to talk with and get it done. Our entire system is slow as hell (not just this investigation) and its really nonsensical. In the private world when an employee has an arbitration dispute shit gets handled fast. I'm not going to pretend they have the same levels of complexity but you'd think that the idea that the leader of the free world is currently in power and *might* (doubt it) have broken the law and conspired with a foreign power would lead to someone to give it some gas? Like seriously "steal an election and in the last year of your term you might be in trouble!" is insane.

Is there some reason why you don't understand the difference between the simple civil matters dealt with in arbitration on the private sector and a massively complex criminal investigation involving millions of pages of documentation, convoluted paper- & money trails, dozens of targets, dozens of witnesses etc?

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