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  1. #931
    If only he ran in West Virginia.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  2. #932
    Absolutely fucking bonkers that so many of these crooks manage to stay in office:

    https://twitter.com/jmontforttx/stat...97590865657857

    https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02...whistleblower/

    It's like being a crook is advantageous
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  3. #933
    It's because it pisses off liberals. Which is the only thing the Lewks of the country care about.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  4. #934
    He does good work for them. He's a great MAGA guy. So they'll ignore his crimes. Hey Lewk, don't you appreciate that your state has even more lax moral, ethical, and legal standards than Congress? They at least act disapproving of Santos.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  5. #935
    I find myself unable to determine whether voters are more or less repugnant than the venal numpties they insist on electing as their representatives absolute bottom-of-the-barrel ass political subculture
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  6. #936
    Oh, were you mainly talking about the voters and not their representatives? Repugnant is not the word I'd choose. Willfully blind and ignorant. You must have had a good healthy dose of psych as part of your MD. You know how the human mind "protects" itself at a subconscious level.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  7. #937
    This is both disgusting and dangerous:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/u...r-carlson.html

    And dumb ofc
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  8. #938
    Everyone knows that American tax money should only be used to bail out billionaires.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  9. #939
    Our great hope Ron De Santis is rapidly showing signs of overreach and weirdness.

  10. #940
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Our great hope Ron De Santis is rapidly showing signs of overreach and weirdness.
    Welcome to 2015. It's been a hell of a ride watching you progress backwards over the decades, but pray tell, what singular action from that asshat brought you to this realization? Would love to have something to mark as a reference point for your next fit of faux outrage.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  11. #941
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Welcome to 2015. It's been a hell of a ride watching you progress backwards over the decades, but pray tell, what singular action from that asshat brought you to this realization? Would love to have something to mark as a reference point for your next fit of faux outrage.
    He might be a fascist, but he wasn't a fascist in issue X that Dread is really passionate about.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  12. #942
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Our great hope Ron De Santis
    That in itself is such a sad statement.
    I could have had class. I could have been a contender.
    I could have been somebody. Instead of a bum
    Which is what I am

    I aim at the stars
    But sometimes I hit London

  13. #943
    He might be a vindictive, authoritarian, racist, anti-science war criminal, but at least he hates some of the same people as Dread!
    Hope is the denial of reality

  14. #944
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2308057.html

    Easy to forget that Republicans are not only dumb but also dirty
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  15. #945
    There's no way that would be constitutional. Not that these people either know or care.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  16. #946
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    There's no way that would be constitutional. Not that these people either know or care.
    I'm not entirely certain you're right about it not being constitutional, at least not with the current court. But I'm certain they know just how shaky the ground is. And I'm sure they care. But they also know that since the Senate remains in Democratic hands, they can posture endlessly without having the least bit of concern about anything passing. They can have their cake and eat it too.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  17. #947
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    I'm not entirely certain you're right about it not being constitutional, at least not with the current court. But I'm certain they know just how shaky the ground is. And I'm sure they care. But they also know that since the Senate remains in Democratic hands, they can posture endlessly without having the least bit of concern about anything passing. They can have their cake and eat it too.
    I don't see how even a Republican court can ignore centuries of jurisprudence on police powers and federalism. If, by some miracle, this is allowed to stand, nothing would prevent a Democratic federal government from banning state governments/courts from punishing abortion.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  18. #948
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  19. #949
    Their job is to pander to the Lewks and Dreads by going after non-existant social problems, not to do something as silly as trying to govern.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  20. #950
    Can't believe they represent a constituency that's even dumber than they are
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  21. #951
    They created a monster and now they're too scared to confront it.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  22. #952
    Hope is the denial of reality

  23. #953
    Someday I'd love to find out what caused Dread to find himself on the side of the NatC's*.




    *For foreign folk: it's the preferred short form of "Christian Nationalists".

  24. #954
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Someday I'd love to find out what caused Dread to find himself on the side of the NatC's*.




    *For foreign folk: it's the preferred short form of "Christian Nationalists".
    Do I get banned for my guess?
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  25. #955
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Someday I'd love to find out what caused Dread to find himself on the side of the NatC's*.




    *For foreign folk: it's the preferred short form of "Christian Nationalists".
    From being around too many rich folks who convinced themselves that slightly higher taxes are an existential threat to civilization while all the GOP Christian Nationalism is just for show. Kind of how certain people convinced themselves Hitler's anti-Semitism was really an act and that he was worth supporting for his pro-business positions.

    Or maybe some Democrat called him something mean and that made him betray everything he stood for, like the North Carolina traitor.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  26. #956
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    From being around too many rich folks who convinced themselves that slightly higher taxes are an existential threat to civilization while all the GOP Christian Nationalism is just for show. Kind of how certain people convinced themselves Hitler's anti-Semitism was really an act and that he was worth supporting for his pro-business positions.
    This seems like a fun place for me to interject. The unchangeable tenets of National Socialism included some rather un-business propositions, such as, and I quote, "Abolition of unearned work, and breaking of debt (interest)-slavery" and "We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts)".

    It took a considerable amount of work by Göring and his business interest "friends" to talk the high German society on board with Adolf's broader electoral programmes. I refer you to Richard Evans's "The Third Reich in Power", which is a fun read.

    But it is great seeing a Jew disclaim another as a Nazi.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  27. #957
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    From being around too many rich folks who convinced themselves that slightly higher taxes are an existential threat to civilization while all the GOP Christian Nationalism is just for show. Kind of how certain people convinced themselves Hitler's anti-Semitism was really an act and that he was worth supporting for his pro-business positions.

    Or maybe some Democrat called him something mean and that made him betray everything he stood for, like the North Carolina traitor.
    His posts here suggest an important role for the latter—an annoyance-driven process of political acculturation, no doubt influenced by his social circles. That said, given his love of posing with guns, I reckon the seeds were already there but it could have gone another way. These days, it may well be a coping strategy
    "One day, we shall die. All the other days, we shall live."

  28. #958
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    This seems like a fun place for me to interject. The unchangeable tenets of National Socialism included some rather un-business propositions, such as, and I quote, "Abolition of unearned work, and breaking of debt (interest)-slavery" and "We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts)".

    It took a considerable amount of work by Göring and his business interest "friends" to talk the high German society on board with Adolf's broader electoral programmes. I refer you to Richard Evans's "The Third Reich in Power", which is a fun read.

    But it is great seeing a Jew disclaim another as a Nazi.
    Sure, there was a transformation of National Socialism over time. But by the time the NSDAP was winning elections, it was with the active support of the business interests, and not just the ethnic German ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    His posts here suggest an important role for the latter—an annoyance-driven process of political acculturation, no doubt influenced by his social circles. That said, given his love of posing with guns, I reckon the seeds were already there but it could have gone another way. These days, it may well be a coping strategy
    See the whole ecosystem created by Thiel and the Koch brothers. They get the support of Christian Nationalists by being unapologetically racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc. all while getting the support of high society by pretending they don't mean most of the things they use to get the support of the base.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  29. #959
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Sure, there was a transformation of National Socialism over time. But by the time the NSDAP was winning elections, it was with the active support of the business interests, and not just the ethnic German ones.
    I wonder which way you would want me to argue this. The NSDAP didn't actually win an election solidly enough to form a coalition, they needed assistance from others. And the Nazified Germany still very much had to work on their relations with business interests all the way up to the war. And while it seemed like National Socialism helped business, during the lead-up to the war, it was their single-mindedness in pursuing war that gave a few of the business magnates a change of heart.
    In the future, the Berlin wall will be a mile high, and made of steel. You too will be made to crawl, to lick children's blood from jackboots. There will be no creativity, only productivity. Instead of love there will be fear and distrust, instead of surrender there will be submission. Contact will be replaced with isolation, and joy with shame. Hope will cease to exist as a concept. The Earth will be covered with steel and concrete. There will be an electronic policeman in every head. Your children will be born in chains, live only to serve, and die in anguish and ignorance.
    The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

  30. #960
    Quote Originally Posted by Nessus View Post
    I wonder which way you would want me to argue this. The NSDAP didn't actually win an election solidly enough to form a coalition, they needed assistance from others. And the Nazified Germany still very much had to work on their relations with business interests all the way up to the war. And while it seemed like National Socialism helped business, during the lead-up to the war, it was their single-mindedness in pursuing war that gave a few of the business magnates a change of heart.
    The point is that fascists rarely enjoy sufficient popular support for their expressed ideas to take power, even through dubious means. Ultimately, they need the active or passive support of some of the very groups they rail against. And that means engaging in double-speak: saying different things to different audiences or saying things in a way that could be interpreted as extremist by the extremists while being sufficiently ambiguous to be dismissed as empty rhetoric by the "moderates."

    Which is to say that the political threat from fascists doesn't come from their violent base (which never approaches a majority) but from the Dreads who normalize their rhetoric and behavior in the hope of using the fascists for their own purposes. And just like German business found out, that rarely works out in the end.

    Kind of how the Brexit people came to power if you really think about it. Same kind of coalitions. Same kind of double-speak. Same disastrous policies. Not that the people who got them into power feel any remorse for their role, even if they realize that the policy outcome wasn't what they wanted.
    Last edited by Loki; 04-08-2023 at 03:23 PM.
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