Can American conservatism survive intact & unadulterated?

[Enoch the Red]

He said that? Did he also reveal the cantrips he used to make them dance and jeer?

I can only surmise it requires rhythm and liberal use of a drum. Oh, and a time machine, because they were singing, dancing and jeering before he walked into the crowd.

See, this pound-shop Fuzzy act only works in a setting where we can't actually go back and see what I wrote earlier in this thread. I posted a link to a number of accounts of the culture of Covington High and suggested that this culture predates Trump, in response to Loki's comment in the other thread about the recent video being an illustration of "Trump's America". Later, I provided a clip supporting OG's characterization of their actions as "surrounding and getting up in drummer guys face" wasn't the only time these kids wanted to act like pricks, to supplement the clip he provided of Covington boys acting like pricks at another time. The rest is just you trying to rope me into playing a poorly-scripted part in a tired old anti-liberal narrative that has obviously lit your imagination on fire but that has very little to do with what I said.

You seem to believe that 1: a school's "culture" is somehow immutable and monolithic, 2: the experience of a few individuals is representative and indicative of something other than the experiences of those individuals. I don't accept either premise. A school is not responsible for the actions of a few of it's students, and I would be shocked if you could find a school anywhere that didn't have bullies and bullied. People everywhere have legitimate grievances with their experiences in high school. Trying to extrapolate more from those individual experiences in such a haphazard way to find more meaning beyond that is stupid. Using that as a brush to paint everyone with is worse.

It is the exact same short-circuiting of critical thinking skills that racists use. It's a bad and dangerous heuristic.

It's remarkable how readily you adopted the conspiratorial tone of the video in question. I understand the appeal of the notion that you've exposed some sort of secret liberal outrage-conspiracy, but afaict OG has not posted anything in this latest conversation that even comes close to the weird-ass fanfic of your video. Endorsing a narrative isn't a problem in and of itself--and you don't believe it is either, or you wouldn't be trying to shoehorn this conversation into your own pet meta-narrative. My criticism of the video was based on my assessment that the narrator was saying really dumb things that were very clearly not supported by the available evidence. If you believe OG has stated something that is really dumb and unsupported by any evidence, you're perfectly capable of raising that objection yourself. That kind of specific criticism would be preferable to this other thing you're trying out.

What is remarkable how bad you can pretend to be at reading.

Four Black men peacefully exercising their freedom of speech whatever they were saying or whether you agree. A literal mob of these boys starts to gather on the steps of the Lincoln memorial....

A literal mob of boys gathering for their bus to return home.

.... but for the better part of the time they were there jeering and being rude but not close enough to do anything. Then, suddenly, some of them start to whip the others up and they begin dancing around and getting louder

Yes, to drown out hateful racist slurs and homophobic insults they performed school cheers.

One rips his jacket and two shirts off and they get riled up and from what it looked like to me, were mimicking apeS which, you know, racist. RACIST. then they start to advance on the Black men

Yep, not you know, your typical teenager pep rally behavior. Definitely racist racists. Certainly them and not the people who were saying openly racist things. To everyone. All day long.

At that time there is still space between them and the Black men but as Mr. Phillips said, he and others in a small group of elders began walking peacefully between the boys on one side and the Black men on the other.

There is still space because the kids weren't a mob out to get the oppressed Black men, they were waiting on a bus while being harassed by them. When the bus came they left.

That you and OG consider that a well-reasoned and acceptable narrative analysis of the video, supported by the available evidence is telling.

As I said, the video was posted only to show him walking up and into the group. It was the one that popped up on Youtube when searching for it. Did the text somehow obstruct that for you, or are you tilting at straw windmills?

What, really, is there to say? The group of individuals shown in these videos appear to be a bunch of volatile jackasses. If you wish to take the time to compose a more thorough critique of this otherwise irrelevant fringe group of loopy idiots, I'll gladly sign my name to it, if that's what it'll take to convince you that I'm not a secret supporter of the Black Hebrew Outragelites who were hilariously described by Sandmann's mother as "Black Muslims". Before this week, I had no idea who they were, and their existence clearly has no bearing on the toxic culture of Covington High, but if you're experiencing such a severe case of whataboutich because of this upsetting controversy I can certainly volunteer to scratch your conspiratorial whataboutass just this once.

What I think we can all agree on, and say for certain, is that before this week you were an expert on the toxic culture at Covington Catholic.

What is truly remarkable is that analysis of a video of purporting to show racism and anger, somehow manages to ignore the people who are actually saying angry, racist, homophobic things. It doesn't even get a mention. What deserves outrage are teenagers singing and dancing in response to it. Because nothing is more racist than the wild antics of teenage boys singing school fight songs. It's not calling indigenous peoples Uncle Tomahawks, or white people crackers and incest babies. What makes you a racist shit, what is real and unforgivable racism, is smiling when someone beats a drum in your face.

[Aimless]

I can only surmise it requires rhythm and liberal use of a drum. Oh, and a time machine, because they were singing, dancing and jeering before he walked into the crowd.

I was posting before this conversation began, so I must not be having a conversation with you. That's how reality works, right?

You seem to believe that 1: a school's "culture" is somehow immutable and monolithic

You seem to have a penchant for making unfounded assumptions. A school's culture is not necessarily immutable. However, the testimonials of former Covington students as well as others who've interacted with Covington students indicate that the culture of bigotry has endured for many years. A school's culture is not necessarily monolithic, but the testimonials also indicate that there is a widespread tolerance at this school for bigoted behavior.

2: the experience of a few individuals is representative and indicative of something other than the experiences of those individuals. I don't accept either premise.

You're free to accept or reject whatever you like in order to sustain your context-free ideological delusions where literally nothing is ever connected to anything else and there are no forests, only trees that are confused about their experiences. For my part, I'll continue to believe that a large number of independent testimonials, from individuals who've attended the school at various points over many years, alleging a widespread culture of bigotry... may actually be indicative of systemic problems.

A school is not responsible for the actions of a few of it's students

This school is, however, responsible for how it deals with those of its students who mistreat their fellow students, or otherwise violate the code the school ostensibly requires its students to adhere to.

I would be shocked if you could find a school anywhere that didn't have bullies and bullied.

Hello, straw man, I've been expecting you.

People everywhere have legitimate grievances with their experiences in high school. Trying to extrapolate and find more meaning beyond that is stupid.

This is basically the philosophy of a sentient turnip being espoused by a living human being. It is absolutely extraordinary, but in a sad way. If you believe it's meaningless or insignificant that a large number of testimonials from students who have attended the same school all contain similar allegations about a pervasive culture of bigotry and tolerance for bigotry then I honestly have no cure for your malfunction. You'll just have to keep living in your own world.

It is the exact same short-circuiting of critical thinking skills that racists use. It's a bad and dangerous heuristic.

I hate to break it you, Enoch, but what you're doing here... it's precisely the kind of thinking racists exploit in order to evade detection and accountability. You played yourself, bro.

What is remarkable how bad you can pretend to be at reading.

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That you and OG consider that a well-reasoned and acceptable narrative analysis of the video is telling.

Yes, yes, I realise that within the framework of your sustained delusion, you're an individual and a free thinker, while OG and I are part of a multi-headed single-brained liberal outrage-hydra, but I hadn't read that thread, and I disagree with her characterization & analysis of the full video.

As I said, the video was posted only to show him walking up and into the group. It was the one that popped up on Youtube when searching for it. Did the text somehow obstruct that for you, or are you tilting at straw windmills?

It's a minor point, but you are wrong. Collectively, the videos show Philips walking up to the group, and barely moving, and students who were out on the edges of the crowd move closer and begin to encircle him, with his own group at his back.

What I think we can all agree on and say for certain is that before this week you were an expert on the toxic culture at Covington Catholic.

Before Loki posted the video, I had no idea there was a Catholic boys' school--full of racist, homophobic and sexist bigots--by the name of Covington Catholic High School.

What is truly remarkable is that analysis of a video of purporting to show racism and anger, somehow manages to ignore the people who are actually saying angry, racist, homophobic things. It doesn't even get a mention. What deserves outrage are teenagers singing and dancing in response to it. Because nothing is more racist than the wild antics of teenage boys singing school fight songs. It's not calling indigenous peoples Uncle Tomahawks, or white people crackers and incest babies. What makes you a racist shit, what is real and unforgivable racism, is smiling when someone beats a drum in your face.

No, Tucker old boy, what's truly remarkable is that you're so obsessed with a tiny fringe group--a cult--of complete nutjobs that you can't participate in a conversation about problems in mainstream society... and, yet, I note that almost none of your posts over the past few years begin with a blanket condemnation of fringe extremist cults. That's really suspicious, man. Why don't you condemn tiny groups of extremists all the time?

[Enoch the Red]

I was posting before this conversation began, so I must not be having a conversation with you. That's how reality works, right?

Definitely, context matters.

You seem to have a penchant for making unfounded assumptions. A school's culture is not necessarily immutable. However, the testimonials of former Covington students as well as others who've interacted with Covington students indicate that the culture of bigotry has endured for many years. A school's culture is not necessarily monolithic, but the testimonials also indicate that there is a widespread tolerance at this school for bigoted behavior.

You're free to accept or reject whatever you like in order to sustain your context-free ideological delusions where literally nothing is ever connected to anything else and there are no forests, only trees that are confused about their experiences. For my part, I'll continue to believe that a large number of independent testimonials, from individuals who've attended the school at various points over many years, alleging a widespread culture of bigotry... may actually be indicative of systemic problems.

This school is, however, responsible for how it deals with those of its students who mistreat their fellow students, or otherwise violate the code the school ostensibly requires its students to adhere to.

Hello, straw man, I've been expecting you.

This is basically the philosophy of a sentient turnip being espoused by a living human being. It is absolutely extraordinary, but in a sad way. If you believe it's meaningless or insignificant that a large number of testimonials from students who have attended the same school all contain similar allegations about a pervasive culture of bigotry and tolerance for bigotry then I honestly have no cure for your malfunction. You'll just have to keep living in your own world.

Unfounded assumptions? Pull the other one. I mean, I heard that someone from Covenant may have killed someone sometime. I think that clearly points to a permissive acceptance of murder culture and violent behavior.

You seem surprised that the worst recollections of people are brought to the fore during a public fracas. I am not. It's called selection bias. If an organization is suddenly thrust into the spotlight in a negative way, it should surprise no one that people who have had bad experiences with it are going to get more attention. That in and of itself tells you nothing. Someone with as much education as you have is no doubt familiar with this. Thus you are either being purposefully obtuse, intellectually dishonest, naive, or you are not being rigorous in your thinking. Possibly some combination thereof.

This does not preclude the possibility that Convenant is indeed staffed and attended only or primarily by racist bigots. I think that is a very unlikely scenario. I get the impression you do not.

I hate to break it you, Enoch, but what you're doing here... it's precisely the kind of thinking racists exploit in order to evade detection and accountability. You played yourself, bro.

Sick burn man. No, wait, you're the racist.

Yes, yes, I realise that within the framework of your sustained delusion, you're an individual and a free thinker, while OG and I are part of a multi-headed single-brained liberal outrage-hydra, but I hadn't read that thread, and I disagree with her characterization & analysis of the full video.

We get it, piece of shit asshats like you frequently interject yourself into conversations without knowing the proper context, and without even knowing the most basic facts.

In fact, based on an N of 1, I think we can agree it's true of all Scandahoovians.

That seems eminently reasonable, right?

It's a minor point, but you are wrong. Collectively, the videos show Philips walking up to the group, and barely moving, and students who were out on the edges of the crowd move closer and begin to encircle him, with his own group at his back.

Right, because he walked into the crowd beating his drum, causing the antagonizing group as well as his own group to follow in behind him. In what world could this not be reasonably considered aggressive? Again, I ask, what was supposed to happen? Were the kids supposed to scatter before him... because reasons?

Before Loki posted the video, I had no idea there was a Catholic boys' school--full of racist, homophobic and sexist bigots--by the name of Covington Catholic High School.

Well, golly, now after reading a couple twitter posts you are an expert who is more than capable of rendering judgment upon the whole school, its alumni, faculty and staff. I mean, that analysis doesn't get any more rigorous. We tremble before your righteous glory.

No, Tucker old boy, what's truly remarkable is that you're so obsessed with a tiny fringe group--a cult--of complete nutjobs that you can't participate in a conversation about problems in mainstream society... and, yet, I note that almost none of your posts over the past few years begin with a blanket condemnation of fringe extremist cults. That's really suspicious, man. Why don't you condemn tiny groups of extremists all the time?

Are you not even trying? I get it. You backed the wrong horse. You look foolish. The right course of action is to look into yourself and find something resembling humility. I think you used to have some. If only your toxic masculinity would allow you to admit it.

[Aimless]

Definitely, context matters.

Yes, and that is how we know that the boys were also responding to Philips's drumming and chanting. Their mocking dances were directed at him, when he stood before them. Prior to that, they were doing other things that weren't directed at Philips. Their parodies of his chanting were in response to his drumming and chanting. Prior to that, they were shouting other things, in response to other people.

Unfounded assumptions? Pull the other one.

You seem surprised that the worst recollections of people are brought to the fore during a public fracas. I am not. It's called selection bias. If an organization is suddenly thrust into the spotlight in a negative way, it should surprise no one that people who have had bad experiences with it are going to get more attention. That in and of itself tells you nothing. Someone with as much education as you have is no doubt familiar with this. Thus you are either being purposefully obtuse, intellectually dishonest, naive, or you are not being rigorous in your thinking. Possibly some combination thereof.

I'm sorry, I haven't been smoking from the same crack pipe as you, so I have to ask: what exactly gave you the impression I was surprised? As for bias, whether you consider recall bias or selection bias, testimonials that allege systemic problems--corroborated eg. by accounts of racist dog-whistle chants, documented use of blackface, stigmatization of LGBT+ youths etc--cannot be dismissed as insignificant anecdotes. The vast majority of people attending CCH do not belong to those minority groups that are targeted by bigots, while many may be complicit in the bigotry; their accounts of how every day at CCH was just a normal day are not informative. You're implicitly pushing a very naive conception of systemic problems that basically states that a culture of racism, for example, can't be said to exist in an organization unless each and every member of a racial minority is racially abused all day every day, and all the majority members acknowledge this to be the case. In reality, those who are not victims of abuse will frequently not indicate any awareness of abuse occurring, while victims will see not only their worst abusers but also those who are just casual participants, those who give tacit approval, those who tolerate abuse and those who attempt to cover it up.

Sick burn man. No, wait, you're the racist.

I'm sorry, but I think clarity is important in these discussions: I'm not calling you a racist, I'm saying that the "heuristics" you employ are the same ones racists exploit when they manage to pull the wool over the eyes of their useful idiots.

I think we can safely say that piece of shit asshats like you frequently interject yourself into conversations without knowing the proper context, and without even knowing the most basic facts.

Reading the thread, which I now see has had a wildly disproportionate impact on your composure, was unnecessary when it came to answering the specific question you had about OG's specific claim of Philips being "surrounded". It was clear that you yourself did not have a grasp of the context or the facts, so I provided a clip showing he was surrounded, and later pointed out that the longer video does not support your claim that Philips somehow pushed himself into the crowd--that, instead, the crowd folded around him. It's not a big deal, but clearly it was super important to you. Reading the twitter thread became necessary later on, when you began to froth at the mouth over my failure to criticize something OG had posted, so that's when I read it, and I concluded that I disagreed with her portrayal of the video. But then you lost your shit again because now your delusion about me and OG being the same person was suddenly being challenged.

In fact, based on an N of 1, I think we can agree it's true of all Scandahoovians.

That seems eminently reasonable, right?

*shrug* I'm not really all that Scandinavian, whereas you're increasingly beginning to resemble a caricature of... I don't even know what you're supposed to be anymore other than "not like those LIBRULS waaahh".

Right, because he walked into the crowd beating his drum, causing the antagonizing group as well as his own group to follow in behind him. In what world could this not be reasonably considered aggressive? Again, I ask, what was supposed to happen? Were the kids supposed to scatter before him... because reasons?

He did not walk "into" the crowd so much as he walked up to it. There were a number of choices available to the children. They could have moved, if they felt he was being aggressive. They could've called for help if they felt they were being harassed, which they certainly were by the other group. They could've listened without mocking him. Philips alleges he heard several of them make derogatory remarks about Native Americans, and they certainly had the option not to say such things. Those are a few of the options that were available to them and their adult chaperones.

Well, golly, now after reading a couple twitter posts you are surely an expert who is more than capable of rendering judgment upon the whole school, its alumni, faculty and staff. We tremble before your righteous glory.

I can form an opinion based on the information available to me. You can choose to form a different opinion, or not form any opinion at all. Your snark, however, is misguided, and reflects your naive straw-man conception of systemic problems--everyone must be 100% guilty of everything all the time--rather than my thoughts about the school in question.

Are you not even trying? I get it. You backed the wrong horse.

Oh my god you ridiculous man, you don't even know what horses there are to back. I get it, you're really keen on this whole global liberal conspiracy narrative, but if you want to have a real conversation I suggest you first end the imaginary conversation you're having with your imaginary opponents.

[Enoch the Red]

Yes, and that is how we know that the boys were also responding to Philips's drumming and chanting. Their mocking dances were directed at him, when he stood before them. Prior to that, they were doing other things that weren't directed at Philips. Their parodies of his chanting were in response to his drumming and chanting. Prior to that, they were shouting other things, in response to other people.

I agree. Clearly some of the behavior and mocking was directed at Philips. It was juvenile. It is not how I would want my children to behave.

However, I am not shocked by juvenile behavior coming from juveniles. If an elderly German man playing an accordion pushed his way into that crowd, I would not be surprised to see parodies of him, confusion, and mocking. It was childish behavior. What I have yet to see is behavior that warrants death threats, threats of physical violence, and a virtual lynching.

I'm sorry, I haven't been smoking from the same crack pipe as you, so I have to ask: what exactly gave you the impression I was surprised? As for bias, whether you consider recall bias or selection bias, testimonials that allege systemic problems--corroborated eg. by accounts of racist dog-whistle chants, documented use of blackface, stigmatization of LGBT+ youths etc--cannot be dismissed as insignificant anecdotes. The vast majority of people attending CCH do not belong to those minority groups that are targeted by bigots, while many may be complicit in the bigotry; their accounts of how every day at CCH was just a normal day are not informative. You're implicitly pushing a very naive conception of systemic problems that basically states that a culture of racism, for example, can't be said to exist in an organization unless each and every member of a racial minority is racially abused all day every day, and all the majority members acknowledge this to be the case. In reality, those who are not victims of abuse will frequently not indicate any awareness of abuse occurring, while victims will see not only their worst abusers but also those who are just casual participants, those who give tacit approval, those who tolerate abuse and those who attempt to cover it up.

I fully expect that there are sexist, or racist, or homophobic bigots at that school - in both the staff and the student body. It is likely true of any group of people sufficiently large. What I have not seen you provide is good evidence that goes beyond Twitter posts and anecdotes, something I hardly consider to be revelatory, especially in light of the scandal. It seems sufficient for you though to write off a school and everyone in it, so keep up the good work comrade!

I'm sorry, but I think clarity is important in these discussions: I'm not calling you a racist, I'm saying that the "heuristics" you employ are the same ones racists exploit when they manage to pull the wool over the eyes of their useful idiots.

Then please, be clear. What heuristics do I employ? Looking at people as individuals instead of members of arbitrary groups? Ah yes, the tool of the super racist.

Reading the thread, which I now see has had a wildly disproportionate impact on your composure, was unnecessary when it came to answering the specific question you had about OG's specific claim of Philips being "surrounded". It was clear that you yourself did not have a grasp of the context or the facts, so I provided a clip showing he was surrounded, and later pointed out that the longer video does not support your claim that Philips somehow pushed himself into the crowd--that, instead, the crowd folded around him. It's not a big deal, but clearly it was super important to you. Reading the twitter thread became necessary later on, when you began to froth at the mouth over my failure to criticize something OG had posted, so that's when I read it, and I concluded that I disagreed with her portrayal of the video. But then you lost your shit again because now your delusion about me and OG being the same person was suddenly being challenged.

...but afaict OG has not posted anything in this latest conversation that even comes close to the weird-ass fanfic of your video.

If you believe OG has stated something that is really dumb and unsupported by any evidence, you're perfectly capable of raising that objection yourself.

I clearly was giving you too much credit, and taking what you said at face value. I apologize. I recognize now something resembling honesty can not be expected in a conversation with you.

*shrug* I'm not really all that Scandinavian, whereas you're increasingly beginning to resemble a caricature of... I don't even know what you're supposed to be anymore other than "not like those LIBRULS waaahh".

The caricature starts with an M and ends with an inx.

He did not walk "into" the crowd so much as he walked up to it. There were a number of choices available to the children. They could have moved, if they felt he was being aggressive. They could've called for help if they felt they were being harassed, which they certainly were by the other group. They could've listened without mocking him. Philips alleges he heard several of them make derogatory remarks about Native Americans, and they certainly had the option not to say such things. Those are a few of the options that were available to them and their adult chaperones.

And Philips had the option of not interjecting himself into the situation. Again, the original story was that he was surrounded by these students while minding his own business. That is not factually what happened. He was not surrounded by these students who were seeking him out to mock him and intimidate him.

I can form an opinion based on the information available to me. You can choose to form a different opinion, or not form any opinion at all. Your snark, however, is misguided, and reflects your naive straw-man conception of systemic problems--everyone must be 100% guilty of everything all the time--rather than my thoughts about the school in question.

The unfortunate corollary to what appears to be your position is that people can be 100% guilty without evidence or reason. I would guess that boy was already guilty in your mind because he wore a red hat. He was guilty because he was protesting abortion. Sadly I suspect what he did or did not do, does not really matter to you. He is guilty because the mob said so.

Oh my god you ridiculous man, you don't even know what horses there are to back. I get it, you're really keen on this whole global liberal conspiracy narrative, but if you want to have a real conversation suggest you first end the imaginary conversation you're having with your imaginary opponents.

When you are ready to talk I'll be happy to listen.

[Lewkowski]

If an elderly German man playing an accordion pushed his way into that crowd, I would not be surprised to see parodies of him, confusion, and mocking.

Yeah but he'd be white, so that's OK in the book of racists who think racism against white folks isn't racism.

[Aimless]

I agree. Clearly some of the behavior and mocking was directed at Philips. It was juvenile. It is not how I would want my children to behave.

However, I am not shocked by juvenile behavior coming from juveniles. If an elderly German man playing an accordion pushed his way into that crowd, I would not be surprised to see parodies of him, confusion, and mocking. It was childish behavior. What I have yet to see is behavior that warrants death threats, threats of physical violence, and a virtual lynching.

What I have yet to see is anyone here supporting death threats or threats of physical violence. This is you having an imaginary conversation again.

I fully expect that there are sexist, or racist, or homophobic bigots at that school - in both the staff and the student body. It is likely true of any group of people sufficiently large. What I have not seen you provide is good evidence that goes beyond Twitter posts and anecdotes, something I hardly consider to be revelatory, especially in light of the scandal. It seems sufficient for you though to write off a school and everyone in it, so keep up the good work comrade!

I'm sorry, but you can't keep pulling straw man arguments out of your ass, waving them in my face and expecting me to think they smell like roses. Based on accounts posted on social media since this video went viral, I've formed an opinion that there seems to be a pervasive culture of bigotry and tolerance for bigotry at this school. That would be a systemic problem. It does not automatically mean that every single person attending or working at that school is a hateful bigot. For example, those who are the greatest victims of this bigotry may not be bigots themselves. But I get it, it's easy to forget that crushing straw men isn't impressive in the real world when you spend all your time fighting in an imaginary world.

Then please, be clear. What heuristics do I employ? Looking at people as individuals instead of members of arbitrary groups? Ah yes, the tool of the super racist.

You look at the world through a filter that makes systemic and structural problems invisible and provides cover for those who exploit those problems. Hence my remark about you not seeing the forest for the trees.

You see the world as you believe it should be--not as it is. Social groups--especially voluntary social groupings--are not arbitrary, and only someone whose view of the world is entirely devoid of context would believe they are. It is not an arbitrary choice to send your child to an expensive all-male (and, by all accounts, almost all-white) Catholic high school, for example; people don't make such decisions by throwing dice, and the decisions are consequential. The culture of an institution is not arbitrary either--esp. not in an institution that purports to adhere to the values enshrined by a religion, upholds a code of conduct, and has both the ability, the authority and (ostensibly) the inclination to promote some behaviors while discouraging others. Sending a class on a long trip to another city in another state, to participate in an anti-abortion march, is not an arbitrary decision. A lot of people deciding to wear MAGA hats is not an arbitrary decision. MAGA hats don't just randomly and magically materialize on top of people's heads.

I clearly was giving you too much credit, and taking what you said at face value. I apologize. I recognize now something resembling honesty can not be expected in a conversation with you.

You're giving yourself too much credit. I said that, as far as I could tell, OG hadn't posted anything similar to what you posted. I had not, at that point, read the thread that has gotten you so remarkably excited. I explained this to you, in a later post, where I also said I disagreed with that person's characterization of the video, after having read the thread. Do you not understand how time works in the real world? Does time work differently in your reality?

The caricature starts with an M and ends with an inx.

Except that most of your statements in this thread appear to be sincere expressions of your views, feelings, thought-processes, whatever they are. Have you been lying this whole time? That's... kind of a weird thing to do, but, sure, whatever floats your boat ya weirdo

And Philips had the option of not interjecting himself into the situation. Again, the original story was that he was surrounded by these students while minding his own business. That is not factually what happened. He was not surrounded by these students who were seeking him out to mock him and intimidate him.

Philips said that he decided to intervene in the conflict between the two groups. He did not say he was just standing around minding his own business when he was suddenly ambushed by racist kids who were sought him out. That was clear when I first encountered the story. It was certainly clear when you started ranting about it here in this thread, but it appears you don't even know the facts about what facts are being alleged. It was clear that Philips went up to them. Their behavior following his decision to intervene is also clear--they chose, as a group, to parody his chanting, and to mock him. Philips also alleges they made derogatory remarks about Native Americans. Now, you may believe he's lying about this, and I wouldn't be surprised if you do, given your own questionable relationship with the truth in this discussion where you keep implying that people have said things that they have not, in fact, said.

The unfortunate corollary to what appears to be your position is that people can be 100% guilty without evidence or reason. I would guess that boy was already guilty in your mind because he wore a red hat. He was guilty because he was protesting abortion. Sadly I suspect what he did or did not do, does not really matter to you. He is guilty because the mob said so.

This is pretty asinine, even by the standards you've set in this conversation, and it bears almost no resemblance to anything I've said in this thread. Your fondness for melodrama is not matched by your skill with delivery, and, as I have already explained, straw man arguments are not very compelling in the real world--no matter how effective they may be in your imaginary world. I cannot take responsibility for things you've just imagined me saying. Fanfiction is not reality.

When you are ready to talk I'll be happy to listen.

Pretty clear you're happy as a pig in mud carrying on an imaginary conversation with the imaginary characters in your tWF fanfic.