A reasonable politician would pass populist legislation that would have little negative effect and resist populist legislation that would have a significantly negative effect. Crist made no distinction between the two.
A reasonable politician would pass populist legislation that would have little negative effect and resist populist legislation that would have a significantly negative effect. Crist made no distinction between the two.
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That's great. Which means that absolutely nothing will move forward (or backward) in politics if we follow Loki's advice.
Please, Loki, almost any significant move in politics will have some kind of negative effect.
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I'm talking about net effects. How the heck do you move forward if a policy does more bad than good?Do you just argue to look smart? Because it has the opposite effect.
Hope is the denial of reality
Yes, because net effects are so easily calculated, especially beforehand. Are we talking about short-term, middle-term or long-term effects here?
How do you calculate an incalculable environmental impact vs. job creation vs. pissing off another country, for example?
When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
I actually totally forgot about that announcement until you mentioned it. Probs because everyone knows we were already drilling like mad offshore even before the "restrictions" were lifted.
But seriously, big fail on the oil well "cap".
Sharpening our head-displaying pikes so we're ready for the revolution?Originally Posted by ']['ear
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
Update: It looks like this well actually didn't have such a remote "cap": http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...417936798.html
'Too expensive' for the acoustic control that costs $500,000Now they're spending 6 million per day.
Next up--some huge DOME to cover the surface oil, suck it up into carriers and move it, then set that on fire?
If they can suck it up, they can still process and sell it
Anybody want to guess how much taxpayer money will be spent on this Spill of National Significance and how much of that maoney will be repaid. I'm seeing another socialist bailout for a private sector fuck-up.
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If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Blame game begins, law suits have started. yay
Well, all you shrimp and oyster lovers....better get 'em now while you can!
Socialism is OK if it helps corporations, you see.
Make the friggin oil companies buy insurance to pay for their mess ups. Then the market takes care of the risk, like it should.
I somehow doubt that BP will need a bailout...
Do you think BP and Transocean can pay for the whole clean-up? Reimburse the Coast Guard, the environmental groups, the fishermen, etc?
You already said they're facing numerous lawsuits...it's not like they're tight on cash.
Hope is the denial of reality
But make them pay for the damages. ALL of them. Oh yes, make them pay. MUAhahaha!
I don't think they have enough liability insurance to cover the costs. They'd have to go bankrupt, or the insurers would.
I don't think they go bankrupt that easily.
Keep on keepin' the beat alive!
I guess we'll find out! The oyster industry is saying it may take 20 years to get back to normal. Something like 60% of our domestic fish industry is in that region.
Bankrupt? BP had an operating revenue of $240 billion in 2009. I think not.
Hope is the denial of reality
Yeah, all BP has to pay is $75 million plus clean up.
Taxpayers pick up the rest...Under the law that established the reserve, called the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund, the operators of the offshore rig face no more than $75 million in liability for the damages that might be claimed by individuals, companies or the government, although they are responsible for the cost of containing and cleaning up the spill.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
Rainy day fund with limits, huh. From a tax that consumers ultimately pay.
Funny thing about "insurance"....it doesn't make things safer or better or less risky. Quite the opposite. Aren't we clever?
edit: Florida alone attracts 80 million tourists that spend 60 billion. Per year. Add in the fishing industry and commerce ports, LA and Alabama....what a mess.
BP is laying down chemicals from the air, to make the oil sink. But that's going to kill the shrimp and oyster beds, and effect coral reefs. Not to mention the chemicals the fish and birds will ingest. There's no way to boom the whole Gulf, but the oil has spread three times its size in just two days. It's now larger than the size of Puerto Rico.
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"Wer Visionen hat, sollte zum Arzt gehen." - Helmut Schmidt
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/...gulf_oil_spill
Evil corporations.
Hope is the denial of reality
Hola from the Dominican Republic! Ah! No oil in the sea aqui'!
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Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
Yeah, I wonder why they are making certain people understand it's not their fault.
BP CEO Tony Hayward said Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America" that BP was not responsible for the accident. He said the equipment that failed and led to the spill belonged to owner Transocean Ltd., not BP, which operated the Deepwater Horizon rig.
Faith is Hope (see Loki's sig for details)
If hindsight is 20-20, why is it so often ignored?
It's my fualt. kY!
The Rules
Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)
BP also tried to get the fishermen to sign hold-harmless indemnity clauses, in order to work in the oil clean-up. Nice.
Maybe because it might not be?Yeah, I wonder why they are making certain people understand it's not their fault.
He said the equipment that failed and led to the spill belonged to owner Transocean Ltd., not BP, which operated the Deepwater Horizon rig.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson: American Founding Father, clairvoyant and seditious traitor.
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