Another American Hero

[Lewkowski]

http://www.omaha.com/article/2010042...ould-be-robber

Police today said a customer fatally shot a would-be robber Monday evening at a busy Walgreens Pharmacy at 6101 Northwest Radial Highway.

Investigators believe that two masked men entered the Walgreen's about 8:50 p.m., one armed with a short shotgun, said Officer Jacob Bettin, a police spokesman.

Police were not releasing the dead man's name until relatives could be notified.

he armed suspect leveled the gun at customers, police said. One of the customers at the register, who has a permit to carry a gun, drew a handgun from the waistband of his pants and fired at the gunman, hitting him several times, Bettin said.

The wounded man fled, but then collapsed on the north side of the store. He was taken to Creighton University Medical Center, where he died.

The second suspect was held in the store by the same customer until officers arrived. That 17-year-old was booked into the Douglas County Youth Center on suspicion of robbery and using a weapon to commit a felony, police said.

Police interviewed the customer with the handgun and released him after detectives conferred with the Douglas County attorney, Bettin said.

The case remains under investigation.

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That is awesome!!!!

This is why it is important for citizens to have the right to bear arms. Criminals will have them regardless but now we have one more dead criminal (YAY) and a second one in custody. Happy ending for EVERYONE!!!

[littlelolligagged]

But check out this Amerikan hero!

A lieutenant colonel with the U.S. Army has been indicted by a federal grand jury on child pornography production and possession offenses.

Edgar Pagan-Torres, 41, of Peachtree City, made his initial appearance before a U.S. Magistrate judge on April 15, 2009, and was indicted Tuesday afternoon.

"This defendant allegedly sexually abused his own daughter and niece and then produced videos of his crimes, mementos that he carefully organized into home-video-style DVDs," said U.S. Attorney Sally Quillian Yates. "This shocking and tragic conduct has no place in our nation's military, nor anywhere else. I appreciate all the hard work the U.S. Army investigators did to bring this case to the FBI and to ensure that the defendant now faces these very serious charges."

According to Yates, the indictment and evidence in public record and in court, Pagan-Torres was assigned to a military installation in Puerto Rico from 2004 to 2007. At that time, he and his family lived near Pagan-Torres' sister, who has a daughter the same age as Pagan-Torres' daughter.

In 2008, a year after Pagan-Torres and his family relocated to Peachtree City, Pagan-Torres' niece alleged that Pagan-Torres had molested her and his daughter. In 2009, family members passed this information to law enforcement in Puerto Rico, resulting in Pagan-Torres' guilty plea last month in Puerto Rico to criminal charges related to his niece's molestation allegations.

At the same time the Puerto Rican authorities were investigating, agents from the U.S. Army's Criminal Investigations Division based at Fort McPherson seized various computers and digital media from Pagan-Torres' home in Peachtree City. Searches of these items allegedly revealed sexually explicit videos Pagan-Torres had made involving his daughter and his niece. Some of the videos were allegedly made in Pagan-Torres' home in Puerto Rico and others were made in his Peachtree City residence. Many of the alleged videos had been transferred from the original recording media to home video-style DVDs organized into chapters. Additional forensic work uncovered a large collection of child pornography Pagan-Torres had downloaded from the Internet.

The indictment contains only allegations. A defendant is presumed innocent of the charges and it will be the government's burden to prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This case is being investigated by special agents of the FBI, U.S. Army Criminal Investigations Division, and the Peachtree City Police Department.

Assistant U.S. attorneys Robert McBurney and Jill Steinberg are prosecuting the case.

I mean, he's in the Army. Young men should want to grow up to be just like him.

[Lewkowski]

What the hell does this have to do with citizens using weapons to defend themselves?

That being said, it sounds like the bastard should fry.

[littlelolligagged]

Your description of someone so casually taking a life as a hero makes me ill. Just thought you should see what "American heroes" really look like.

[Lewkowski]

Your description of someone so casually taking a life as a hero makes me ill.

Stopping someone who is threatening people's lives and robbing a store? That sounds pretty heroic to me. He saw a problem and dealt with it. He dealt with it in a way that did several things good all at once.

1. Potentially saved lives of the non-criminals in the store.
2. Protected people's property.
3. Ended the life of a worthless bottom feeder.

This is an even better outcome then if he had simply stopped the robbery. The really awesome benefit here is that the criminal is DEAD!

[Loki]

Something similar happened here a week ago. Two armed morons broke into some guy's house. He wrestled with one of the robbers, took his gun, and shot him to death. The other moron ran away.

[wiggin]

Lolli, I'm not sure you're right on this one. Oh, sure, I don't enjoy Lewk's rejoicing any more than the next guy. But there's no indication that the individual in question took the life of the robber 'casually' or that he wasn't troubled by the necessity. Waving a shotgun in someone's face tends to make most people interested in defending themselves, and that's what he did. Whether or not this implies there should be lax gun laws is, of course, an entirely different story.

[Timbuk2]

It's gotten to the point where he knows we react to this sort of idiocy, so makes more of a point about it.

Criminal is DEAD, written in capitals to emphasise it.

We know you have a hard-on for dead criminals, there is no need for posting identical threads multiple times. It does not lead to discussion. Just flames.

[Hazir]

To me it seems like a rather clear case of self-defense. Clearer than any of the cases of Lewk's 'American Heroes' so far.

[Being]

If the hero's actions had caused the criminal to blow off another customers head, would the hero share the blame for the death of an innocent bystander?

[Nessus]

If the hero's actions had caused the criminal to blow off another customers head, would the hero share the blame for the death of an innocent bystander?

Does Spiderman pay for damages when he slams the Green Goblin through some office building window?

[Illusions]

3. Ended the life of a worthless bottom feeder.

I'd like to remind you that this is your opinion of the matter, not an objective statement rendered out by the Universe at large, and as such does not exactly fit well with your chosen system of religious belief.

Other than that, guy pointing a shotgun at customers seems a pretty clear cut case for defensive use of your own weapon.

[Nessus]

I'd like to remind you that this is your opinion of the matter, not an objective statement rendered out by the Universe at large, and as such does not exactly fit well with your chosen system of religious belief.

Pshhht, uncle Jesse talked about rocks, it's not like he said he who is without sin shoot the first shotgun, now did he. And Lewk wants to keep uncle Jesse away from the gubment he so hates and despises, except when they wage war or execute people, so if some poor dumb shmuck sends himself to Hell, well that's a small price to pay for another dead criminal, now isn't it?

[Veldan Rath]

If the hero's actions had caused the criminal to blow off another customers head, would the hero share the blame for the death of an innocent bystander?

No, I believe the law has that if the criminal had survived he may also be charged with manslaughter...as his action (robbing a store) is directly responsible for a death, as it is a reasonable assumption that if you go to rob a store with a firearm, injury or death is a foreseeable outcome (not to mention someone may defend themselves is also a foreseeable outcome).

[GGT]

Then they'd better move all the kids' candy far away from the damn register.

[EyeKhan]

Stopping someone who is threatening people's lives and robbing a store? That sounds pretty heroic to me. He saw a problem and dealt with it. He dealt with it in a way that did several things good all at once.

1. Potentially saved lives of the non-criminals in the store.
2. Protected people's property.
3. Ended the life of a worthless bottom feeder.

This is an even better outcome then if he had simply stopped the robbery. The really awesome benefit here is that the criminal is DEAD!

Would you have posted this thread if he hadn't shot and killed that kid? What if he'd just scared them away? Or held them until police arrived? Nevermind. Don't answer. I think I know. You like the killing, don't you?

What the hell does this have to do with citizens using weapons to defend themselves?

That being said, it sounds like the bastard should fry.

I had the same quesiton. My face looked like this then like this then like this and then something like this . Its sorta still like that. You?

[Being]

No, I believe the law has that if the criminal had survived he may also be charged with manslaughter...as his action (robbing a store) is directly responsible for a death, as it is a reasonable assumption that if you go to rob a store with a firearm, injury or death is a foreseeable outcome (not to mention someone may defend themselves is also a foreseeable outcome).

I'm pretty certain that vigilanteism is illegal in all 50 states. But beyond the legal aspect, does the hero share responsibility for getting the other customer killed. If the hero didn't pull his gun the criminal would have left having taken only money instead of a life.

[ar81]

This is why it is important for citizens to have the right to bear arms. Criminals will have them regardless but now we have one more dead criminal (YAY) and a second one in custody. Happy ending for EVERYONE!!!

Yes, more Americans with arms means more weapons being sent to Mexican druglords. Happy ending!!!

[CitizenCain]

No, I believe the law has that if the criminal had survived he may also be charged with manslaughter...

It's even worse than that - depending on the state, the surviving criminal could be charged with murder. That's the way it works in Ohio, and it's frankly stupid and troubling. Quickly leads to the "leave no living witnesses" M.O. for armed robberies.

[Veldan Rath]

Based upon your posts though Cain, I would hazard a guess that as soon as an idiot waved a gun in your face as part of a robbery, you would send him to the Celestial Dirt Nap as soon as you were given the opportunity.

[Nessus]

Given Kainy's sunny disposition towards humanity, I doubt he'd need much more excuse

[Veldan Rath]

I'm pretty certain that vigilanteism is illegal in all 50 states. But beyond the legal aspect, does the hero share responsibility for getting the other customer killed. If the hero didn't pull his gun the criminal would have left having taken only money instead of a life.

This was not a citizen being a vigilante.

[Being]

This was not a citizen being a vigilante.

Any person who takes the law into their own hands is a vigilante.

[Veldan Rath]

Ummm, if it was illegal, why didn't cops arrest him?

And defending yourself is being a vigilante?

Thank god yer not king.

[CitizenCain]

Based upon your posts though Cain, I would hazard a guess that as soon as an idiot waved a gun in your face as part of a robbery, you would send him to the Celestial Dirt Nap as soon as you were given the opportunity.

If not sooner, yeah.

[Unheard Of]

This is why it is important for citizens to have the right to bear arms.

Criminals will have them regardless but now we have one more dead criminal (YAY) and a second one in custody. Happy ending for EVERYONE!!!

There are downsides to having so many idiots with guns in your country, this being a mild example. I would have found something more dramatic, but I was worried about supplying you with any more death porn, and limited myself to the same chain of stores and city .

[Being]

Ummm, if it was illegal, why didn't cops arrest him?

And defending yourself is being a vigilante?

Thank god yer not king.

From the article,

The case remains under investigation.

What if the HERO had accidently killed an innocent bystander? Would you feel the same?

[Ziggy Stardust]

That is awesome!!!!

However justified in self-defence the customer acted, this reaction is and always will be despicable.

The really awesome benefit here is that the criminal is DEAD!

You disgust me.

[CitizenCain]

There are downsides to having so many idiots with guns in your country, this being a mild example.

How so? Idiot shoots self, OK... where's the downside here?

[']['ear]

Sounds like self-defense. Though the fact remains that a hand gun in the home is more likely to be used against a family member than stopping a crime. You're welcome to take that stupid risk if you want.