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    SEÑOR Member Aimless's Avatar
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    Are you rehearsing for an audition?
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Not for Fox & Friends or for the White House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    Hillary Clinton ran on repealing the first amendment
    Wait what!?

    Source please?
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    She wanted campaign finance reform. To change how super pacs can act behind the scenes, how groups can funnel money from foreign interests into our election process, fix the Citizens United ruling etc.
    Theres a reason Dread said first amendment without explaining it.

    Just like all the dumbasses who want everyone to believe that repealing the 2nd means the government is going to take all our guns.
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Not for Fox & Friends or for the White House.
    Hah, what makes you think I've ever watched Fox News?

    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Wait what!?

    Source please?

    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issue...inance-reform/

    She will also propose a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United within her first 30 days in office.
    "Citizens United" is a constitutional free speech case involving the government suing the maker of an anti-Hillary film. The government argued that possibly anything —*books, films, pamphlets — could be construed as "electioneering" and potentially be banned by current election laws. The Supreme Court overturned the law on First Amendment grounds.

    So Hillary proposes a constitutional amendment to restore the government's right to ban films critical of her. This necessarily involves tinkering with our first amendment. Criticism here:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...eech-opponent/

    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...rst-amendment/

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary...ism-1430868138

    Interestingly, the ACLU has a stance on this surprisingly consistent with its original mission: https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-and-citizens-united

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    Why are you citing Clinton's campaign platform? Are you going to cite Justice John Paul Stevens now?

    Those marching after the latest school shooting weren't a monolithic group. They're not all HS students, they don't all want the same legislative solutions, and they're not all liberals trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment. The only common denominator is being fed up with gun violence in general, and school shootings specifically, and they took to the streets in large numbers. Standard American free speech/right of assembly fare.

    Our 1st and 2nd Amendments intersect, and one can conflict with the other. Citizens United was about paid political speech, arguing that groups have the same rights as individuals, and that it (the Hillary ad) met the legalities of how political campaigns are funded. But campaign finance reform is still an issue.

    Now, some of these protesters are calling out the NRA, and targeting any politician that takes their PAC money. They're using the Citizens United decision to their benefit, which is actually quite smart. It not only highlights the fact that a majority of NRA members (and gun owners) support sensible limits to the 2nd Amendment, it exposes the NRA as a lobbying group for gun manufacturers, with politicians in their pocket.

    Let The Games begin!

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