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    Okay you guys read this but don't eat or drink anything at the same time:

    https://amp.thedailybeast.com/govern...-kids-advocate
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/u...-migrants.html

    Hark! Is that the fap-fap-fap sound of principled Christian Conservatism I hear yonder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Just further evidence that government run organizations tend to have problems. Comes part and parcel in not being able to fire under-performers. How often are police officers and teachers fired thanks to the union that makes it difficult?
    That's your response to CBP in Dallas treating a mother like a child smuggler, and telling her to change her name?
    Sure, gov't bureaucracies 'tend to have problems', but this looks like an example of a gov't employee following Trump policy.

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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    I wouldn't treat a dog like that let alone another person. The only answer I can think of is they've become so callous they no longer view these people as people. Instead something less than animals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    something less than animals.
    Well yeah I guess that's another way to describe kids that aren't from Idaho or Texas.

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    More reports:

    https://thinkprogress.org/inside-the...3e9e0a7fb/amp/

    Obviously brown "children" are liars or something.
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    Well, some of them will be, yeah. Just like some of the ICE people and the administration will be. I think the Trump administration's policy is fucked up and they are cold and callous about the conditions and the situations people are fleeing from but let's not pretend that they have a monopoly on mendacity in the PR over immigration, asylum, etc.
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    They don't need to have a monopoly on mendacity. There's enough evidence now to make claims of extremely poor conditions and mistreatment of children quite credible. This policy should be halted immediately and indefinitely. Even those who think it's justifiable to separate children from their parents through force or deception should understand that this sort of mistreatment is wrong.
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/u...ortations.html

    Remember: brown people aren't human. They don't have human feelings. They are incapable of feeling actual love for their children or their parents. They are flies that are spawned in shitholes. All they want is money and benefits.

    Or perhaps the people who think and act as if the above is true are utter dumbfucks who'd be ashamed to show their ridiculous faces or open their fucking mouths if they weren't too fucking dumb to realize what little gobshites they actually are.
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    Brown people aren't humans, especially not the Muslims:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000003

    https://www.vox.com/2018/7/29/176251...uit-waiver-how

    They don't love their families. They don't feel suffering and despair. They only want benefits. They only want to turn the glorious US into another shithole like the one that spawned their worthless carcasses. Just think--what if this man had taught his children to become suicide bombers? He obviously had it in him.

    Or perhaps they're humans and the people so eager to dehumanize them in various ways are contemptible little shitgibbons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    There is going to be a shortage of champagne soon in white America: http://amp.slate.com/news-and-politi...ularities.html
    Laws are meant to be followed. You want to become an American citizen? Don't sneak in. Don't break the law. This isn't rocket science.

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    Mexicans lie, so why should government officials believe them?

    https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/784702002

    An independent man fully capable of working is now half blind, unable to drive, in need of dialysis sooner than he would've been otherwise. Half of all recent deaths in ICE custody potentially avoidable or preventable. But who cares about brown people?

    They aren't even human.
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    Hispanic Americans born near the border w/ Mexico being denied passports because Trumpists only hate illegals:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5d5_story.html

    This isn't business as usual.
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    My official passport acceptance training papers make no mention of this region being invalid or even reason enough to fill out a suspicious persons report to be filed with the application.

    So yeah, this is all kinds of messed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    My official passport acceptance training papers make no mention of this region being invalid or even reason enough to fill out a suspicious persons report to be filed with the application.

    So yeah, this is all kinds of messed up.
    Not the region per se but if you're a brown apparently Hispanic person born in southern Texas between 1950 and 1990 that's obviously reason enough for police to check whether your birth certificate can be traced back to someone who may have falsified a small number of the hundreds or thousands of birth certificates they were responsible for, and, if you are such a person, that's obviously reason enough to arrest you and try to get you deported just in case.
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    Thats what's messed up, the Bureau of Consular Affairs has a list of entire regions and time frames that aren't allowed to use a birth certificate to prove citizenship because at one time someone was caught making a small number of false records.

    The fact that someone is targeting this region and such a wide time frame without it being part of the official acceptance process makes the whole thing very screwed up.

    These people are going to start applying for renewals in outside regions, which will automatically flag it as a suspicious application, but might improve their odds of not running up against a racist office.
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    https://amp.freep.com/amp/1226728002

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    As everyone knew, they would come after legal immigrants:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/22/u...ublic-aid.html

    This affects anyone who has used any of those services in the past, eg. due to unforeseeable illness, misfortunes during the financial crisis etc, even though they were (obviously) not told at the time this could be a possible consequence of using those services. It harms families. It screws over good members of communities all over the US. And it is scummy.
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    Retroactively changing the rules is usually a great sign of where your ethics lie.
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    And it continues: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...-feds-say/amp/

    WH expected to ban spouses of H-1B visa holders from working.
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    What is the f''king point of that? Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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    Makes it easier for businesses to abuse their employees since this would force it all under the table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    What is the f''king point of that? Dumb, dumb, dumb.
    Agreed. H1-B is a fucking fantastic program. Those are the types of people we WANT in America.

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    The DHS lied:

    https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/defaul...8-84-Sep18.pdf

    On June 23, 2018, DHS announced that DHS and HHS had “a central
    database” containing location information for separated parents and minors
    that both departments could access and update.22 However, OIG found no
    evidence that such a database exists. The OIG team asked several ICE
    employees, including those involved with DHS’ reunification efforts at ICE
    Headquarters, if they knew of such a database, and they did not. Two officials
    suggested that the “central database” referenced in DHS’ announcement is
    actually a manually-compiled spreadsheet maintained by HHS, CBP, and ICE
    personnel. According to these officials, DHS calls this spreadsheet a “matching
    table.”

    This matching table, however, was not created until after June 23, suggesting
    that it is not the “central database” referenced in the Department’s June 23
    announcement. Moreover, when the OIG team asked ICE for information that
    should have been accessible to ICE via the central database (e.g., information
    on the current location of separated children), ICE did not have ready access to
    the information. Instead, ICE had to request the information from HHS. DHS
    has since acknowledged to the OIG that there is no “direct electronic interface”
    between DHS and HHS tracking systems.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...grant-parents/

    In canceling TPS for Haitians, Hondurans, Nepalis, Sudanese, Nicaraguans and Salvadorans, the Trump administration forced families like Emily’s to confront the question that past administrations had avoided: What would happen to all these American kids when their parents were officially ordered to leave the country?

    The Department of Homeland Security had an answer. “We will coordinate with the Government of El Salvador to better understand what documents might be needed by U.S. citizen children to enroll in local schools, access local health services, or other social services,” a DHS spokeswoman wrote to me in June. In other words, the government expected nearly 193,000 American kids to leave the United States along with their parents. Simple as that.
    You might think this is monstrous, but bear in mind that, to some people, black and brown kids and their parents do not matter.
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    I'm confused. Is the administration being criticised there for not splitting up families?

    Tangemtial to the topic I knew someone who faced deportation from Australia to the UK because he forgot to renew his Visa (he thought his employers would deal with it for him). His Australian wife and Australian child came with him when he moved back to the UK. A few years later he got his Visa issues sorted and the whole family returned to Australia.

    Edit: Removing people who have had legal rights for 17 years is preposterous. There should be a pathway to permanent residency.
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    AP Investigation: Deported parents may lose kids to adoption

    https://apnews.com/97b06cede0c149c49....co/KJNVDhTsrj
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