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    Default "America will never be a Socialist country"

    Quoted from Trump's SOTU address. He made comparisons to Venezuela, but it was really aimed at Democrats. Nothing like using the SOTU address to kick off a re-election campaign, huh.

    I think this will be the main theme for 2020. Trump (and the Republican Party) will market themselves as the defenders of Liberty and Freedom!, and paint Democrats as evil SSSocialists. Never mind that "we're all Socialists now", and have been to a certain degree since at least The Great Depression....

    Q: Will this "anti-Socialism" strategy continue to work as it has in the past, or have people decided they actually like and want public services and government oversight?

    <Whose propaganda will be most effective?>

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    To be honest that attack line is working out less and less well. Way too many new voters are pretty helpless as adults and the idea of big brother doing everything for them is attractive. I really hate my generation sometimes.

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    Well, and there's also the fact that we've already been a socialist country your entire life and your parents entire lives as well, y'know?
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    ... Way too many new voters are pretty helpless as adults and the idea of big brother doing everything for them is attractive.
    I resent responding to the guy wearing a dunce hat but, http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/colu...lism-20190104/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Well, and there's also the fact that we've already been a socialist country your entire life and your parents entire lives as well, y'know?
    Social democracy maybe, I wouldn't say socialist. Though its worth bearing in mind that at one point US top rate of tax was nearly 100% and remained very high for decades.
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    I hope you don't plan on filing for SOCIAL security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post
    Social democracy maybe, I wouldn't say socialist. Though its worth bearing in mind that at one point US top rate of tax was nearly 100% and remained very high for decades.
    The *effective* tax rate was actually pretty low even then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    To be honest that attack line is working out less and less well. Way too many new voters are pretty helpless as adults and the idea of big brother doing everything for them is attractive. I really hate my generation sometimes.
    Yeah, it's an "attack line" that's used for political branding, and not really based on facts or reality. Maybe it's not working as well because people are getting smarter about labels and propaganda? Maybe the 2016 election helped that way?

    Some of it's generational, but even the post-WWII seniors who were heavily indoctrinated against the evils of socialism got their college degree with the GI Bill, bought their first home with VA or FHA loans, and love their SS and Medicare. Many railed against "socialized medicine" during ACA legislation, but said "hands off my Medicare". That just shows that branding can be effective -- even by exploiting misconceptions or manipulating truth.

    Being's article was good. I hope you read it, because people who vote for tax-payer public services aren't necessarily helpless or looking for Big Brother to do everything for them. Maybe you should check your own propaganda meter?

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    What do y'all think about the Foxconn (WI) and Amazon (NY) pulling out of their big pending business deals?

    Some of the blame is being aimed at 'liberal activists with a Socialism agenda', but it sparks some fundamental questions:

    *Should they have been offered such huge perks to begin with?
    *Could the lost tax revenues be recouped, and who would pay?
    *Is corporate welfare a form of socialism, or corrupted capitalism, or something else?

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