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Thread: The creeping terror of white supremacism in law enforcement and the armed forces

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    Default The creeping terror of white supremacism in law enforcement and the armed forces

    A white nationalist lieutenant in the coast guard was arrested a week and a half ago, on charges of illegal drugs & weapons possessions that his writings suggest he may have procured in preparation of a Breivik-inspired terrorist attack (possibly targeting people on a list he'd compiled of Democratic politicians and non-right-wing journalists):

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...stic-terrorist

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...rror-feds-say/

    Given that this has many of the hallmarks of a domestic terrorist plot, it's a little surprising that it wasn't publicized until someone at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism uncovered the filing, but, now that it's out there, I think it may be time to once again revisit the threat represented by white supremacists in law enforcement and in the armed forces.

    The problem isn't unique to the US; in recent years, there have been stories about WS & neo-Nazi groups in the armed forces in eg the UK and in Germany as well. In the US, this threat predates the MAGA era by many years; over a decade ago, the FBI and the DHS warned about the growing risk of infiltration of law enforcement bodies by these groups, as well as of recruitment among both current members & returning members of the armed forces, in reports that appears to have been (largely) ignored except for by some journalists and people with a special interest in RW extremism, eg:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/m...far-right.html

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/07/66521...ight-extremism

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...aw-enforcement

    While the FBI at least seems to have been covertly tracking the activities of some of these groups & individuals, some analysts believe the US's counter-terrorism competence wrt domestic [para]military RW extremism is inadequate, and has been harmed by decades of neglect, allowing these movements to become a more severe and more widespread threat.

    I can't help but think that the public is still far too complacent about this problem, something I believe is indicated by the continuing rise in violent war-themed rhetoric about civil war and calls for stockpiling weapons that regularly feature even in mainstream RW media.

    How can we best tackle these problems? What strategies are likely to work? Is it too late to do anything meaningful?
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    One very important thing to do would be to not overreact. Be measured and contained in responses, particularly if this sort of thing has strong white-supremacist influences, considering the current play of material in the BLM theme. Because one thing you really really want to avoid is broadening the radicalization.
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    One very important thing to do would be to not overreact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post

    How can we best tackle these problems? What strategies are likely to work? Is it too late to do anything meaningful?
    Be helpful if people stuck to only calling out actual white supremacists and neo-Nazis as opposed to anyone to the right of Biden.

    Generally speaking, people should always be encouraged to follow the guideline of "see something, say something." The whole "don't call the police if you are concerned" and "snitches get stitches" mentality needs to be throw out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    people should always be encouraged to follow the guideline of "see something, say something." The whole "don't call the police if you are concerned" and "snitches get stitches" mentality needs to be throw out.
    What Lewk wants: An army of BBQ Beckys.

    What Lewk likes to ignore: All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to Lewks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    What Lewk wants: An army of BBQ Beckys.

    What Lewk likes to ignore: All of the extremist killings in the US in 2018 had links to Lewks.
    The problem as always is if a person kills and happens to be right wing it is "right wing extremism." If a person kills and happens to be left wing it is regular old crime. Similar to the idea that if a Muslim terrorist kills it isn't Muslim terrorism it is "work place violence."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    The problem as always is if a person kills and happens to be right wing it is "right wing extremism." If a person kills and happens to be left wing it is regular old crime. Similar to the idea that if a Muslim terrorist kills it isn't Muslim terrorism it is "work place violence."
    One problem is clear: people like you not believing the data or its conclusions. Going a step farther by suggesting an anti-right wing bias (or even a conspiracy) is just as bad. Can't address a problem you don't think exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    How can we best tackle these problems? What strategies are likely to work? Is it too late to do anything meaningful?
    I don't think it's too late, but it will take time.

    IMO this is ultimately a cultural problem (the hardest thing to change) that can be traced back to traditionally male-dominated groups, and how they learned to define things like power, chain of command, loyalty, fraternity, etc. Physical punishment was so frequently used in initiations (hazing) that humiliation wasn't just overlooked but expected and accepted.

    It's almost impossible to screen-out individuals with a pathological bend, when the culture of police/military has built-in internal conflicts. That thin blue line where cops look the other way during police brutality. The military that ignores rape or sexual assault among its ranks. Making excuses for "bad behavior" is an old tradition used for "building teamwork". If you report a fellow cop/soldier for *anything*, you're undermining the unit. If your complaints are exposed, you're a snitch/rat/traitor, and YOU will be punished.

    Whistleblowers are not welcomed. MYOB. That part of the police/military culture needs to be changed, too.

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    Only tangentially related, but interesting to see how the Army deals with someone engaging in shall we say inappropriate conduct:

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    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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    Wow, the left is crazy

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    Everyone expected cops & current military to be among the insurrectionists, but still helpful to get some corroboration.

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    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...hed-the-senate

    Reason to believe many current and former LEOs and even military derpheads participated in the attack on the Capitol. Some of these people might be court martialed, I guess? Anyway, very disturbing. This dumbass was easily caught, but I suspect many others were more careful about masking their identity.
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    https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-poli...p-riot/9448446

    Head of the Chicago police union defending the rioters. Who killed one officer, hospitalized 15, and injured more than 50. And that's just on the police casualties, which I assume as a police union head he's supposed to care about, and ignoring the blatant lie that there was no fighting and nothing was damaged.

    Keep in mind he was elected last year, while being under investigation. For, among other things, saying muslims are savages who should be killed. And still they elected him..
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    They're everywhere:

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    You mean the 1st Amendment Protests where journalists where threatened and their equipment destroyed. That 1st Amendment Protests?
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