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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    "Fix this problem that I've decided is a priority because I like to make conspiracy theories about why Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election."

    There's no evidence that ballots were compromised. And there has been steadfastly disingenuous resistance to voter reforms such as identification requirements. I'd love to see a compromise that admitted both raising election standards and requiring IDs are both common-sense measures, but instead we get more of your "when did you stop beating your wife" approaches.
    Oh please. The GOP is vociferously against a federal level ID requirement. Because they won't be able to use it to disenfranchise legitimate Democratic voters. They want ID requirements but only implemented at the state level, and only in areas where they can carefully craft it to work against the other party. You don't see any significant effort by the party to implement voter id laws in California. They couldn't control it there. Nor do you see the GOP-controlled legislatures passing it in states like Montana, Alaska, or Wyoming, where it would mostly disenfranchise older rural white voters, i.e. disproportionately Republican voters.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnaught View Post
    "Fix this problem that I've decided is a priority because I like to make conspiracy theories about why Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election."

    There's no evidence that ballots were compromised. And there has been steadfastly disingenuous resistance to voter reforms such as identification requirements. [/b]I'd love to see a compromise that admitted both raising election standards and requiring IDs are both common-sense measures[/b], but instead we get more of your "when did you stop beating your wife" approaches.
    But US citizens who have presented SS cards and Birth Certificates to the DMV have ended up in ICE custody. So much for "common sense" measures.

    And just because there's "no evidence" that voter ballots were compromised in 2016 doesn't mean it can't/won't happen in 2020. But we may never know, since the Trump administration de-funded the domestic terrorism task force, under-funded cyber security, and didn't prioritize federal election security. They still insist that Russian hacking was a Hoax perpetuated by angry Democrats.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  4. #64
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominous Gamer View Post
    Being upset is understandable, but be upset at yourself for poor planning, not at the world by acting like a spoiled bitch during an interview.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by RandBlade View Post

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    WTF? Tin pot dictator delusions of grandeur.
    Just out of curiosity Lewk, what would be your response of Obama had ordered American companies to behave in a certain way? How is this acceptable governance by any libertarian/conservative standard?

  7. #67
    Trump is decompensating in plain sight, for the whole world to see.

    But not one person in his orbit dares to disrupt his destructive behavior, even tho it means bad things for our nation and democracy....because they're afraid that losing his favor means losing their political power?

    Forget MAGA...Trumpism IS the swamp.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Just out of curiosity Lewk, what would be your response of Obama had ordered American companies to behave in a certain way? How is this acceptable governance by any libertarian/conservative standard?
    Obviously I'm opposed to the idea of the POTUS just saying "do this" but uh its Twitter and Trump says a lot of things. There is no force of law here so while embarrassing it doesn't actually *do* anything.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    Just out of curiosity Lewk, what would be your response of Obama had ordered American companies to behave in a certain way? How is this acceptable governance by any libertarian/conservative standard?
    Plenty of libertarians voted for Trump, because they saw it as voting for the "lesser of two evils". SSSocialism was framed as the big scary beast.

    Spoiler alert: today's GOP is not the party of personal liberty, privacy, freee markets, conservative fiscal spending, or Law & Order Justice. It's the party of Trump; a cult of personality, crony capitalism, favoritism, and blind loyalty to an authoritarian that thinks bully dominance is leadership.

    Who's the big scary beast now?

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Obviously I'm opposed to the idea of the POTUS just saying "do this" but uh its Twitter and Trump says a lot of things. There is no force of law here so while embarrassing it doesn't actually *do* anything.
    You can't be a Trumpapologist and a libertarian at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    You can't be a Trumpapologist and a libertarian at the same time.
    Hold my beer.
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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    You can't be a Trumpapologist and a libertarian at the same time.
    I don't consider myself a Trump supporter but I do consider him better than Hillary. I voted Libertarian. I've actually been pleasantly surprised by several policy decisions as well as judicial appointments. While this trade war garbage is crap and his Twitter feed is just embarrassing, he put two great justices on the SCOTUS and has already reshaped several lower courts.

  13. #73
    I was going to make a "what's a leppo?" joke but it's obvious the real question here is, "What are principles?"
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    I was going to make a "what's a leppo?" joke but it's obvious the real question here is, "What are principles?"
    Considering I don't vote for him or donate to him what exactly is your beef? I defend Trump when he does things I like and don't defend things I think are shit. Imagine, following your principals and not a personality.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Obviously I'm opposed to the idea of the POTUS just saying "do this" but uh its Twitter and Trump says a lot of things. There is no force of law here so while embarrassing it doesn't actually *do* anything.
    I think Obama got tarred with the socialist brush for saying far less overtly socialist things. Is Trump a socialist too?

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    I think Obama got tarred with the socialist brush for saying far less overtly socialist things. Is Trump a socialist too?
    Again, this is Twitter and this is Trump. Half the shit he says on that platform is nonsense. Meanwhile Obama helped push actual socialist(lite) legislation such as Obamacare and the God forsaken Frank-Dodd act which has substantially increased the regulatory burden on business.

    In a campaign prior to being in office I care more about rhetoric, once you are in office? I care way more about actions. Not that I like Trump going off on Twitter but until it transforms into actual policy it seems pretty low on the list of worries.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by GGT View Post
    You can't be a Trumpapologist and a libertarian at the same time.
    Sure you can. If you just repeat personal buzzwords like complex, holistic, and interconnected enough times, you can be any two things, no matter how mutually exclusive, at the same time. You've demonstrated that on here often enough.
    Last night as I lay in bed, looking up at the stars, I thought, “Where the hell is my ceiling?"

  18. #78
    "In a field where an overlooked bug could cost millions, you want people who will speak their minds, even if they’re sometimes obnoxious about it."

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleFuzzy View Post
    Sure you can. If you just repeat personal buzzwords like complex, holistic, and interconnected enough times, you can be any two things, no matter how mutually exclusive, at the same time. You've demonstrated that on here often enough.
    Pedantic semantics is a Fuzzy thing.

    A libertarian wouldn't be excusing Trump's authoritarian actions. Stacking the courts with conservative judges doesn't automatically mean libertarians are on board.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    In a campaign prior to being in office I care more about rhetoric, once you are in office? I care way more about actions. Not that I like Trump going off on Twitter but until it transforms into actual policy it seems pretty low on the list of worries.
    Trump's tweets are considered policy directives. His tweets have also replaced formal WH press briefings. Wake up.

  21. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Again, this is Twitter and this is Trump. Half the shit he says on that platform is nonsense. Meanwhile Obama helped push actual socialist(lite) legislation such as Obamacare and the God forsaken Frank-Dodd act which has substantially increased the regulatory burden on business.

    In a campaign prior to being in office I care more about rhetoric, once you are in office? I care way more about actions. Not that I like Trump going off on Twitter but until it transforms into actual policy it seems pretty low on the list of worries.
    So I suppose we needn't have worried about Obama's gun control rhetoric because it wasn't backed by substantive action?

  22. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    I think Obama got tarred with the socialist brush for saying far less overtly socialist things. Is Trump a socialist too?
    Trump promised to protect SS and Medicare, programs that are considered socialist, so he's a socialist. The farmers that accept Treasury dollars (welfare) to off-set Trump's Tariffs are socialists, too. We are all SSSocialists now. Especially in the aftermath of the Great Recession.

    The only difference is the degree of delusion.

  23. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch the Red View Post
    So I suppose we needn't have worried about Obama's gun control rhetoric because it wasn't backed by substantive action?
    Obama was a bit more credible when he spoke while Trump literally just says shit that (in person and on twitter) that crosses his mind.

  24. #84
    Turning pathological lying into a virtue.
    Hope is the denial of reality

  25. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Turning pathological lying into a virtue.
    It isn't a virtue, nor have I claimed it to be. It would be a lot better if he ran his tweets by his staff first and stayed on script during speeches.

  26. #86
    I wonder if it would be considered election interference if the G7 voted the US out?
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  27. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Being View Post
    I wonder if it would be considered election interference if the G7 voted the US out?
    Election interference? Any country can interfere with any other country's election, it isn't as if the "international police" is going to go jail another country's leaders. Generally it is frowned upon and can often backfire as a lot of people absolutely dislike the idea of foreigners helping to decide elections.

  28. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Obama was a bit more credible when he spoke while Trump literally just says shit that (in person and on twitter) that crosses his mind.
    That's a bizarre way to excuse Trump's erratic statements. Can't take him literally OR seriously?

  29. #89
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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  30. #90
    It's not even wednesday and this Tweet is already threatening to put The Onion out of business:

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
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