May's out. Who's in?

[RandBlade]

While I appreciate the attempt to Both Sides all over politics on this side of the pond as well, the reality is this: the Tories could have gotten either no deal or May's deal through if they'd actually been able to agree on either of those options, Labour couldn't have done a damn thing to stop them.

Not true. The Tories don't have a majority in Parliament.

[RandBlade]

If it was just the Tories inability to accomplish a damn thing, I wouldn't have made the comment. But unfortunately it wasn't. The British public has demonstrated that they're not any more coherent multiple times now. You're a democracy. I see the problems with your government as a symptom of your problems as an electorate. And as such, swapping out the parties isn't going to improve things, it's just going make them go wrong with entirely new splits.

At this point, what the EU ought to do is just call it quits, prep for the Hard Brexit and say "good riddance." Even if Labor or whomever manages to approve and ratify a deal (or some kind of non-Brexit) that the EU would find acceptable, it's just going to come with continued pain from trying to deal with the UK in general.

Well said.

[RandBlade]

I don't normally respect May, but kudos here. This is how all western leaders greeting Putin should look.

Twitter Link

[Khendraja'aro]

Here, Rand, this is what your country has wrought. Despicable:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-refugee-tales

[LittleFuzzy]

Gosh.

Yes. Their miserable failure to come to any kind of agreement internally over the last three years has finally pushed me to agree with your position Hazir.

[Steely Glint]

If it was just the Tories inability to accomplish a damn thing, I wouldn't have made the comment. But unfortunately it wasn't. The British public has demonstrated that they're not any more coherent multiple times now. You're a democracy. I see the problems with your government as a symptom of your problems as an electorate. And as such, swapping out the parties isn't going to improve things, it's just going make them go wrong with entirely new splits.

It may be the asking a yes/no question in a referendum about a question which in reality has more than two possible answers is a bad idea.

Not true. The Tories don't have a majority in Parliament.

I mean to say Tories + DUP but forgot to go back and change it.

I don't normally respect May, but kudos here. This is how all western leaders greeting Putin should look.

Donald Tusk also had a good one: "Whoever claims that liberal democracy is obsolete also claims that freedoms are obsolete, that the rule of law is obsolete and that human rights are obsolete.", which is Eurocrat-speak for "Aw, shut your mouth Vladimir Putin"

[Loki]

Yes. Their miserable failure to come to any kind of agreement internally over the last three years has finally pushed me to agree with your position Hazir.

And now ~60% support Trump-lite. My opinion of the British electorate is now the same as that of the Greek one.

[RandBlade]

Trump lite is hyperbolic.

[Unheard Of]

Yes, he often is.

[Hazir]

Well said.

Gosh.

[Loki]

Yes, he often is.

Well played. All form, no substance, except the form is itself a joke.

[RandBlade]

Ballot papers arrived with the members today. A significant proportion of votes will be filled in today. To coincide both candidates had headlining interviews with papers.

Boris chose to go with increasing Police numbers, with a target of 20,000 new Police officers.

Hunt chose to go with fox hunting, with a target of overturning the ban on fox hunting to legalise hunting with hounds again.

WTF!? Oh and while it may be a stereotype that Tories hunt, the polling evidence is that two-thirds of Tories view it as cruel and want it to be illegal. As do I.

I know someone who voted Remain in the referendum and has been a die hard opponent of Boris who has been looking forward to voting for Hunt who is furious with him for this and is considering voting for Boris as he can't endorse cruelty to animals like this.

[Flixy]

Shouldn't the talking point for both be Brexit plans and strategy anyway? There's literally nothing more important than that right now. Plus, you're not having new elections for the house so why are they even campaigning on things like this.

Edit: and if Brexit is mishandled and the economy goes to shit good luck paying for 20.000 new police officers.

[RandBlade]

Brexit has been the main talking point of course but they're both claiming the same policy (negotiate a solution to backstop, no deal as last resort if necessary). However who wins won't just become Minister for Brexit they are going to become Prime Minister so policies for all subjects matter.

[Hazir]

Wanna bet?

LOL, the news in the UK is the potential candidacy of Osborne for the IMF. Talk about a dead cat.

[Loki]

Trump-lite.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48874147

[Aimless]

Someone had fun with that headline

[Aimless]

Looks like Johnson is cool with customs borders within the UK after all:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...t-company-free

Perhaps NI should just pay off the prospective PM.

[RandBlade]

Trump-lite.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48874147

That bodes very ill of Theresa May and nobody else if there is any truth to that story.

[RandBlade]

Looks like Johnson is cool with customs borders within the UK after all:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...t-company-free

Perhaps NI should just pay off the prospective PM.

Sounds like a good proposal. Places like Liverpool and Grimsby could really benefit from this.

I'm a long term fan of the idea of a Singapore Brexit.

[Aimless]

I too am a fan of unicorns.

Though I applaud Johnson's decision to permit a backstop for NI, I must confess I'm beginning to suspect he may be dumb as shit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-learn-english

[RandBlade]

I too am a fan of unicorns.

Though I applaud Johnson's decision to permit a backstop for NI, I must confess I'm beginning to suspect he may be dumb as shit:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-learn-english

WTF are you talking about? The backstop for NI isn't mentioned in that link.

[Hazir]

LOL @ Singapore Brexit. Little England apparently isn't small enough for the resident brexitard.

[Aimless]

WTF are you talking about? The backstop for NI isn't mentioned in that link.

Obviously if Boris can accept a customs border around Bristol, he can accept one around NI. This is just the break negotiators have been waiting for. The first link pertains to his concession on the issue of internal borders. The SECOND link pertains to the issue of his stupidity.

[Loki]

More on the language issue. I see Rand is still pretending Johnson isn't running on a Trumpist nationalist platform. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/w...s-english.html

[RandBlade]

More on the language issue. I see Rand is still pretending Johnson isn't running on a Trumpist nationalist platform. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/06/w...s-english.html

Learning English is Trumpist?

Are you aware it is already the law for non-EU migrants?
Are you aware 90% of EU secondary school students learn English?

[Unheard Of]

Is there any reason to believe that this addresses a real problem? It looks Johnson is making a typical dog whistle to xenophobes.

[Aimless]

Learning English is Trumpist?

Are you aware it is already the law for non-EU migrants?
Are you aware 90% of EU secondary school students learn English?

Are you aware that what Bozo said was

“Too often there are parts of our country, parts of London still and other cities as well, where English is not spoken by some people as their first language."

Johnson is leveraging precisely the same type of racist dog whistle politics that have taken root in the US and flourished under Trump.

[Unheard Of]

Admirable integrity: https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/ale...t-company-free

[Hazir]

How common is the name Mordaunt?