The slow death of the British Civil Service

[Steely Glint]

The point isn't that the guy ended up having to resign, but that Johnson failed to support him. Corbyn and May were falling over themselves to praise and support Darroch in parliament, and there's a good reason for that.

[Hazir]

The point isn't that the guy ended up having to resign, but that Johnson failed to support him. Corbyn and May were falling over themselves to praise and support Darroch in parliament, and there's a good reason for that.

Supporting the fall guy defies having a fall guy to begin with. Don't blame Johnson for not doing what you couldn't expect from him. The only people to blame are the ones who leaked the memo's. If possible they should be prosecuted for leaking.

And FYI it made me feel a bit dirty that you forced me to defend Johnson.

[Steely Glint]

Supporting the fall guy defies having a fall guy to begin with. Don't blame Johnson for not doing what you couldn't expect from him. The only people to blame are the ones who leaked the memo's. If possible they should be prosecuted for leaking.

And FYI it made me feel a bit dirty that you forced me to defend Johnson.

So, how many US diplomats had to resign after saying unflattering things about host countries or organisations which were revealed in the US Wiki-leaks cables?

[RandBlade]

So, how many US diplomats had to resign after saying unflattering things about host countries or organisations which were revealed in the US Wiki-leaks cables?

How about this from a former British diplomat fired by the FCO and attacked by Darroch after revealing his host country was involved in CIA Torture?

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...e-explanation/
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...arroch-affair/

And if you try and shoot the messenger with this one suggesting that Craig Murray is a right-wing columnist I will suggest that's about as plausible as suggesting that Hazir is a Eurosceptic.

[Steely Glint]

How about this from a former British diplomat fired by the FCO and attacked by Darroch after revealing his host country was involved in CIA Torture?

The guy was making an absolute nuisance of himself, hardly surprising they booted him. Don't get me wrong, he absolutely did the right thing given the bullshit the US and UK govs were up to back then, but the circumstances are totally different.

[Hazir]

So, how many US diplomats had to resign after saying unflattering things about host countries or organisations which were revealed in the US Wiki-leaks cables?

Is it something in the water that makes you Brits forget that international relations are first and foremost about power?

If I were you I would focus on the fact that you have people in your government committing high treason.

[Steely Glint]

Is it something in the water that makes you Brits forget that international relations are first and foremost about power?

That's just one very good reason why it'a a bad idea to demonstrate that you are easily pushed around, and that a sufficiently obnoxious temper tantrum can get a British diplomat replaced. Doubly so when you're dealing with someone with the mentality of Donald Trump.

If I were you I would focus on the fact that you have people in your government committing high treason.

I can't deal with all the treason in the British government right now - work is very busy.

[RandBlade]

The guy was making an absolute nuisance of himself, hardly surprising they booted him. Don't get me wrong, he absolutely did the right thing given the bullshit the US and UK govs were up to back then, but the circumstances are totally different.

Same as Darroch. Yes he did the right thing but he also made a nuisance of himself.

Wait a second, forget "Blairite" now apparently being "right-wing" . . . you don't think the Labour Party is run by hard-left loonies?

I'm sorry to break this to you, but Jeremy Corbyn is not "hard left".

Since when does being a Lib Dem mean you have to think current Labour are 'hard left loonies'?

Tory FUD won't work here. In fact, remember when the entire Tory strategy at the last election was to harp on and on about what a hard-left loonie Corbyn was and then Labour gained seats, and Tories nearly lost their majority, because basically nobody who wasn't already a Tory voter actually believed that characterization or saw it as a problem? Apparently it doesn't work anywhere else, either.

It isn't a characterisation he literally is hard left. He has spent thirty years self identifying as hard left on the backbenches while writing regularly for the Morning Star.

[Steely Glint]

Same as Darroch. Yes he did the right thing but he also made a nuisance of himself.

It's literally not the same. Murray made a speech attacking the host country, challenged foreign office policy constantly and gave interviews to the media. All Darroch did was state, in a private communication, what anyone who takes a passing interesting in the news would be able to tell you.

It isn't a characterisation he literally is hard left.

If you think Corbyn's hard left then you've lead a very sheltered life, politically speaking.

writing regularly for the Morning Star.

So, does writing for a news paper with certain views make mean you share those views or doesn't it?

[Hazir]

That's just one very good reason why it'a a bad idea to demonstrate that you are easily pushed around, and that a sufficiently obnoxious temper tantrum can get a British diplomat replaced. Doubly so when you're dealing with someone with the mentality of Donald Trump.



I can't deal with all the treason in the British government right now - work is very busy.

Darroch should have fallen on his own sword the moment those memo's came out. That maybe would have avoided the humiltion. But since he didn't it all makes your government look bad in the eyes of the special partner government. Who actually can push you around. And he still can't stay.

He could have stayed in Russia. Because Russia isn't your super special buddy. Yet.