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Thread: The cover-up is always dumber than the crime

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Yeah, who'd be foolish enough to bet against a guy with predictive powers like these:
    You really think he's going to get impeached? He'll still be in office as the President when the 2020 election vote happens.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You really think he's going to get impeached? He'll still be in office as the President when the 2020 election vote happens.


    That's Unit 7 Part 3 "Impeachment", if you're taking notes.

    And you should be taking notes because this will be on the exam.
    I'll lend you my essence for your rusted throne, and you could bring back the light to the last home of civilisation without which I'm gone
    So take this godsoul to bring forth a new dawn, I'll forgive the death you've earned, the cities you've burned, the lessons we've learned
    For all that remains, just sacrifice me. I'll hide away in a castle on the sea.

  3. #63
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  4. #64
    Steely when people are talking about Impeaching Trump there are only two possibilities. Trump stays in office or he doesn't. If Trump stays in office its a massive W for Republicans. The House Impeaching him (technically accurate) means nothing when the Senate finds him not guilty. When people say "I hope Trump gets impeached" they aren't merely saying they hope the House votes to Impeach him they are hoping he is actually removed from office. Try not to get hung up on semantics.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    You really think he's going to get impeached? He'll still be in office as the President when the 2020 election vote happens.
    Impeachment is a process (see Steely's definition). Before now it's been called an impeachment investigation and/or inquiry -- but Pelosi made it official after pressure from Dems, putting the process on a faster, tighter track.

    No one knows what the outcome will be, but it doesn't have to mean removal from office. Censure is an option, too. The only thing that seems certain is senate Republicans will continue to act like Trump Toadies, sealing the GOP's reputation as hypocrites with double standards (see Lindsay Graham).

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Steely when people are talking about Impeaching Trump there are only two possibilities. Trump stays in office or he doesn't. If Trump stays in office its a massive W for Republicans. The House Impeaching him (technically accurate) means nothing when the Senate finds him not guilty. When people say "I hope Trump gets impeached" they aren't merely saying they hope the House votes to Impeach him they are hoping he is actually removed from office. Try not to get hung up on semantics.
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    I'll lend you my essence for your rusted throne, and you could bring back the light to the last home of civilisation without which I'm gone
    So take this godsoul to bring forth a new dawn, I'll forgive the death you've earned, the cities you've burned, the lessons we've learned
    For all that remains, just sacrifice me. I'll hide away in a castle on the sea.

  7. #67
    And what the hell happened with Giuliani?

  8. #68
    Biden announces candidacy around the same time the pressure on Ukraine escalates, shortly before Barr gets fidgety when asked if Trump has instructed him to investigate any specific individual. New report is a second whistle-blower who alleged misconduct in handling of Trump's IRS investigation.

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  9. #69

  10. #70
    The whistleblower complaint that focused on President Donald Trump’s request to Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden also alleges White House officials moved the records of some of Trump’s communications with foreign officials onto a separate computer network.

    First reported by the Washington Post and now evident as the whistleblower complaint was publicly released, the complaint alleged the Trump transcript with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was placed on a computer system directly managed by the National Security Council Directorate for Intelligence Programs.


    The whistleblower cited officials he or she spoke with that this not the first time a presidential transcript was placed into the system “solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive — rather than national security sensitive — information.”


    The complaint more broadly alleges Trump is using the power of his office to solicit foreign interference in the U.S. election.


    The White House has not responded to MarketWatch about this particular element of the whistleblower complaint.


    Trump defended his July phone call with Ukraine’s president, saying there was “no pressure” on him as a summary showed Trump urging his counterpart to open a probe related to Biden.


    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday announced the opening of an impeachment inquiry.
    Source

    Section II of the complaint linked previously. It's not the same as Hillary's private e-mail servers, as a lot of people are saying. The issue for Hillary was that it was a private e-mail server, this is still a government network. There the evidence was also destroyed after being requested, and we have no evidence yet that that happened here. That said, this implies the administration knew how bad Trump fucked up, since they took efforts to bury the evidence.

    On the side: I kinda feel sorry for Giuliani. The stress of all this is clearly pushing him towards the edge, if not over it. He's fallen so far from his peak back when he was America's Mayor. Even career moves that should have taken him upwards keep leaving him even lower than before. Hope he has a good retirement plan in place, because I don't think he'll be working any more.

  11. #71
    Flouting legal requirements wrt keeping records has been the admin's MO from day one. Either no records are made, or they're destroyed. This has been Trump's practice for decades.

    https://www.citizensforethics.org/la...ice-president/
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Jfc.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    Holy shit. This is a layout of Trump's plan to win in 2020. Create a story that the Clinton Campaign, with Joe Biden's direct help, tried to influence the 2016 election using Ukraine somehow. Get the Ukrainian government to go along by creating false investigations. Use it to dominate the election conversation in 2020. It's the same play book as BENGAZI! and PERSONAL EMAIL SERVER! they used to demonize Clinton and win 2016. Make up some bullshit to create murky doubt about conspiracy and corruption. This whistle blower dude is a hero.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Holy shit. This is a layout of Trump's plan to win in 2020. Create a story that the Clinton Campaign, with Joe Biden's direct help, tried to influence the 2016 election using Ukraine somehow. Get the Ukrainian government to go along by creating false investigations. Use it to dominate the election conversation in 2020. It's the same play book as BENGAZI! and PERSONAL EMAIL SERVER! they used to demonize Clinton and win 2016. Make up some bullshit to create murky doubt about conspiracy and corruption. This whistle blower dude is a hero.
    Even Trump hating Comey found significant negligence by Clinton for her e-mail server. Bengazi was a preventable tragedy and the most galling part of it was how initially the Obama administration tried to blame it on on a YouTube video.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Holy shit. This is a layout of Trump's plan to win in 2020. Create a story that the Clinton Campaign, with Joe Biden's direct help, tried to influence the 2016 election using Ukraine somehow. Get the Ukrainian government to go along by creating false investigations. Use it to dominate the election conversation in 2020. It's the same play book as BENGAZI! and PERSONAL EMAIL SERVER! they used to demonize Clinton and win 2016. Make up some bullshit to create murky doubt about conspiracy and corruption. This whistle blower dude is a hero.
    Trying and failing to appreciate just how far fucking gone his enablers must be to dismiss this out of hand. The actions described are undeniably corrupt and illegal.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    Even Trump hating Comey found significant negligence by Clinton for her e-mail server. Bengazi was a preventable tragedy and the most galling part of it was how initially the Obama administration tried to blame it on on a YouTube video.
    Please. Just fuck off. Enough with the lies, bull shit, dirty tricks, and win-by-any-means. The people you support are causing real harm to this nation and to the world in general. You think this is winning, but it's losing for all of us, even you, and in a big way.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Aimless View Post
    Trying and failing to appreciate just how far fucking gone his enablers must be to dismiss this out of hand. The actions described are undeniably corrupt and illegal.
    It's jaw dropping but I don't think it's far from Republican business as usual. It's just that Mr. President is so fucking incompetent he pulled the curtain back for us all to see the shit that party has been up to for years.

    EDIT: And by the way, the thread titles is wrong. This crime is WAY dumber than the cover-up. Mind boggling stupid arrogance of this cocksucker.
    The Rules
    Copper- behave toward others to elicit treatment you would like (the manipulative rule)
    Gold- treat others how you would like them to treat you (the self regard rule)
    Platinum - treat others the way they would like to be treated (the PC rule)

  18. #78
    Be funny if Warren got the nomination and Trump would be all, like, "welp, gone and done got myself impeached digging up dirt on the wrong candidate!"
    I'll lend you my essence for your rusted throne, and you could bring back the light to the last home of civilisation without which I'm gone
    So take this godsoul to bring forth a new dawn, I'll forgive the death you've earned, the cities you've burned, the lessons we've learned
    For all that remains, just sacrifice me. I'll hide away in a castle on the sea.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeKhan View Post
    Please. Just fuck off. Enough with the lies, bull shit, dirty tricks, and win-by-any-means. The people you support are causing real harm to this nation and to the world in general. You think this is winning, but it's losing for all of us, even you, and in a big way.
    Ah yes pointing out the absurdity of your statement gets the response of "fuck off." Nothing I stated was false. The ambassador asked for additional security, didn't get it and died. Comey stated Clinton was fucked up with her server. Which part is wrong?

  20. #80
    Discuss those issues in their respective threads and discuss the extremely disturbing reports of corrupt and criminal conduct on the part of Trump and his henchmen here.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  21. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    Be funny if Warren got the nomination and Trump would be all, like, "welp, gone and done got myself impeached digging up dirt on the wrong candidate!"
    https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/stat...34671453945857


  22. #82
    Irrelevant in light of the extraordinary ongoing ethical violations - ie. of the current, established rules & guidelines - on the part of seemingly every single person in or associated with the Trump admin. But, again, not the subject of the thread.
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  23. #83
    We should totally have a conversation about what roles it's appropriate for children and spouses of children of the president to have at some point. Maybe make a thread on it after all this has blown over?
    I'll lend you my essence for your rusted throne, and you could bring back the light to the last home of civilisation without which I'm gone
    So take this godsoul to bring forth a new dawn, I'll forgive the death you've earned, the cities you've burned, the lessons we've learned
    For all that remains, just sacrifice me. I'll hide away in a castle on the sea.

  24. #84
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  25. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Glint View Post
    So - and I'm not saying this is actually what's going on because it's not - but if Trump was actually trying to get get impeached, what would he be doing differently?


    Told ya.
    I'll lend you my essence for your rusted throne, and you could bring back the light to the last home of civilisation without which I'm gone
    So take this godsoul to bring forth a new dawn, I'll forgive the death you've earned, the cities you've burned, the lessons we've learned
    For all that remains, just sacrifice me. I'll hide away in a castle on the sea.

  26. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Wraith View Post
    On the side: I kinda feel sorry for Giuliani. The stress of all this is clearly pushing him towards the edge, if not over it. He's fallen so far from his peak back when he was America's Mayor. Even career moves that should have taken him upwards keep leaving him even lower than before. Hope he has a good retirement plan in place, because I don't think he'll be working any more.
    Giuliani has only himself to blame -- he chose the mobster mentality over a legit legal career.

    I feel sorry for Ukraine. They're under tremendous pressure from Russia, need the US as an ally, but don't want to get dragged into our politics. It's shameful how Trump held their financial aid hostage, and tried to use their new president's political inexperience -- to get dirt on Biden.

    I've heard suggestions that Team Trump is trying to reverse-engineer (and de-legitimize) the Mueller report, pin the 2016 election meddling on Ukraine (in order to vindicate Putin), and then pardon Manaforte. Sounds weird, but Ukraine has been on their radar since the primaries, when they got the GOP to change its Ukraine agenda out of the blue. Not to mention Trump's affinity for Putin and Russia.

  27. #87
    As usual Rand Paul provides some much needed leadership when it comes to common sense:

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1176996104275144705

  28. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    As usual Rand Paul provides some much needed leadership when it comes to common sense:

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1176996104275144705
    You didn't bother to read the comments, huh.

    "Because Biden did that in concert with numerous other governments and the IMF AND he did it for the country not himself."

    And if you want to be consistent about nepotism, you should be critical of Ivanka Trump getting patents approved while her dad is making "trade deals" with China. If you're outraged, make another thread for that.

  29. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Lewkowski View Post
    As usual Rand Paul provides some much needed leadership when it comes to common sense:

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1176996104275144705
    As usual, the only person dumber than you is Rand Paul, Supreme Congressional Derphead. Biden delivered the request to have that prosecutor removed, on the behalf of several countries, because he was widely regarded as being an IMPEDIMENT to corruption investigations. It was the opposite of covertly pressuring a foreign govt to investigate a private American citizen for personal political political gain in an American election. Rand Paul is such a fucking meathead it isn't even funny.

    Meanwhile,

    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

  30. #90
    “Humanity's greatest advances are not in its discoveries, but in how those discoveries are applied to reduce inequity.”
    — Bill Gates

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